First of all, if this is a taboo subject please delete it.
As a long time D2 player and former IRC owner Im more than aware of the cheating in that game.
I have no evidence of, nor have I seen or heard of any botting in D3 Im just wondering if it is happening (Im sure it is) and to what extent.
I have no desire to cheat so I dont want official hack names or websites, more of a casual acknowledgement for my own curiosity.
Im rather enjoying D3 as more of a casual player than I was in the past (100 D2 CD keys, proxies etc), RoS looks enticing since it becomes about farming your own gear, not just going to JSP and buying it but I will admit I will mourn the convenience and relative safety of the Gold AH that I used a few times.
Thanks in advance, Im not looking for trouble or info on how to cheat, I like my account surely will not jeopardize it for some pixesl, just wondering how blizz is handling it or if it is infact widespread, but without the lobby system hard to tell to the casual player.
It's safe to say that D3 is relatively free of cheats and hacks. Most information is processed and stored server-side, so it's close to impossible to hack anything. The D3 client allows for only limited amount of hacking, and messing with the MPQ files will immediately be detected by Warden and get you banned. This lead to D3 being almost dupe-free in terms of hacked dupes. There were some glitches in the past, like the AH mess half a year ago that allowed for duping of gold, but most of those who did intentionally exploit this got banned. If you see dupes, these are mostly due to the rollback service: people used to pretend that they got hacked and appealed for a character+gear restoration, which resulted in effectively duping all gear and materials on one's account. This is not possible anymore because gear from a rollback will be BoA and there's a limit as to how many materials can be restored.
Botting exists. And you'll never get rid of it completely. Just tune in to streamers that play their WW barb for 24/7. Then imagine what it would look like if a bot was playing that WW barb. The answer is: it would be exactly the same. A bot is a very efficient way of playing the game, and many dedicated players are just exactly doing that - squeezing every bit of efficiency out of the game. It's probably impossible to detect bots just from playstyle, and Blizzard obviously doesn't want to ban players who didn't use any bots; so there are quite a few players that are botting. Whether it's 1% or 10% - no one knows. However, the inflation is nowhere near as bad as in D2, and with RoS the incentive for bots will be minimal (gems and perfect rares might be interesting in the beginning, but after some time people will run out of resources anyways and the determining factor to progress will just be BoA items and materials).
Can I ask a question - what do you mean by "IRC owner"? Are you talking about an IRC chat server? I wasn't aware that was a thing in D2, care to enlighten me? I love IRC and miss the days when IRC was a serious competitor to online messengers.
there was a few websites known via their IRC back in the D2 days, DClone IRC, was one. We did lots of walks etc, Ive probably walked close to 1000 servers myself. We went on to have our own clans maybe 100 or more members as well as our own JSP guilds. There was quite a bit of competition between us and some hostilities. Its been so long I have trouble remembering the names of most of them, and due to a difference in direction I left mine, some of the other partners were more greed driven, I was more about having fun, not making money (thats why I wont name mine old one, even though it ceases to exist I dont want to draw attention to it or myself).
I like the changes in RoS against botting or at least profit, and I agree with online only if anything to avoid any messing with the online client.
It is a little bit of a taboo, but that doesn't mean you guys can't discuss it. As long as no specific names or links (that will lead people to it) are mentioned
I understand what you're after, btw. And I've been looking to get some updated info on this as well.
It's been a while since I last checked the forums of those kind of resources to see the statistics on how many people there bot, how many are getting banned, etc. Things like how easy and safe it actually is to bot nowadays in D3, and how smart are the bots (can they kill bosses? can they play with more "complex" builds) are things I'd like to know too.
I do know, for a fact, that there's a tool that reveals the entire mini-map layout, and that allows you to kind of see through walls (it shows enemies and elites that are on the other side). It doesn't show specific mini-events/quests on outdoor areas, but indoor dungeons are almost always entirely revealed. I do not know if that is done by asking such info from the server, or if it's done based on its own "database" from which it pulls the map layouts.
Also, as far as I know, there has been 0 proof of a "duping" hack in D3 to this day. There is (was?) a known bug that made equal items drop twice in a row in some games (I've personally had two 100% equal Butcher's Sickles drop so I know that exists). Also that some people were using the rollback mechanism to multiply items (all while pretending to have been hacked and faking "legit trades" with other accounts, so that either account wasn't banned).
I think the integrity of the game is more important than a few RoS sales. If you are making any sort of coin doing it, buying a second or additional clients is the cost of doing business.
As for the guy reporting himself...ehh I can report anybody for botting, they need proof. If its like Lance Armstrong and undetectable they wont do squat.
I would be lying if I said I havent wished for a maphack now and then especially leveling an alt toon, but with no teleporting its not that crucial.
Speaking of teleporting, I hope thats one thing from D2 that never makes it to D3. Id love to see runes and runewords but never enigma again.
Thanks for the replies, wasnt sure if discussions of this sort where taboo here in these boards.
I find it hard to believe that blizzard cannot brainstorm a solution to cheaters in the game that they built 100% from the ground up. every single pixel is there becuase the wrote the code for it to be there....
i find it sad to hear that they actually let the botters grow and grow and farm away for months at a time. bot farms absolutely raking in dough....
I remember following a guy around in WoW. I tagged mobs he was going to "melee" to death for 40 minutes at level 75. i denied 100% of his experience gain and he did not whisper me, he did not look at me, he did not type anything at all. he just kept sitting drinking eating after every mob was tagged for the entire length of time. He also ignored 50 whispers and probably 100 party requests. All with out even glancing at me even one time
and he was in the same zone doing the exact same thing for multiple days. good thing he was treated as a legitimate player....
but yea...I cant prove any thing so I guess thats how a legit player plays the game. and with the huge spotlight diabloprogress cast on the game?
Characters with unthinkably high amounts of kills.........nope. no proof. they are all legit.
Shurgosa, most of these bots work by "reading" the pixels on your screen and reacting to that. They're not reading the computer's memory or anything. By all means, they do exactly what a person does - looks at the screen, interprets what's in it, and behaves in a specific pattern (with random deviations every now and then to make sure they stay undetected).
I'd go as far to say that some of these bots are more competent players than a lot of people. And while a 24/7 activity might seem an "obvious proof of botting" to most of us, to Blizzard (from a company's perspective) they can't deal with the huge hassle that would be people saying they actually play that much (and Blizz has no way to prove otherwise).
Again, it's not about whether a bot is obvious, it's about whether or not they can prove it from a coding perspective. The kind of situation you described means nothing to a company that has to deal with real consequences to things like banning people (with lawsuits and the like). It's not as easy as it seems
They should get a little more creative and a little more pushy so that cheaters have a little less freedom. Seems cheaters have far to much.
Obviously resting on the fat haunches ofproof do littleto deter idiot cheaters from polluting a rule bound game universe..... I've seen how quickly Blizzard can deal with individuals who break the rules when they put their mind to it. A friend of mine had his entire account deleted into fucking OBLIVION for trying a wow botting program for all of 45 seconds. He did not even figure it out. He just got cold feet and scrapped the whole idea. His account was nuked and paved on the spot. We often teased him for suffering through the biggest screw-job in Warcraft history......months of raid time flushed into the toilet for not a single copper piece.
I've seen how quickly Blizzard can deal with individuals who break the rules when they put their mind to it. A friend of mine had his entire account deleted into fucking OBLIVION for trying a wow botting program for all of 45 seconds. He did not even figure it out. He just got cold feet and scrapped the whole idea. His account was nuked and paved on the spot.
Isn't that a contradiction? They are giving cheaters absolutely NO freedom, as you can see with this example of 45 seconds of bot usage and getting banned. (Regardless of the fact that I think there's more to the story, there are also warnings for minor offenses.)
Just like I said earlier, and as Zero said as well - it is close to impossible to detect cheaters because some of the bots work exactly the same way as "efficient players". You can't just go ahead and ban the top 1000 elite kills players at Diabloprogress. Are many of them bots? Absolutely yes. Are all of them bots? No. There are even some of the 24/7 streamers pretty high on that list, and they have thousands of hours of Twitch footage to prove that they didn't use a bot software.
After all, bots don't have as much of an impact as they had in other games, and with the AH gone and legendaries BoA their impact will be close to zero in a few weeks.
I think the bot your friend tried left some very clear coding signs of it, that's why they could ban him so quickly. But as I said, some bots nowadays work a lot like real people, they "read" the screen and just act (with very similar mouse clicks and button presses) much like a normal player.
I've been banned/restricted by the LoL tribunal myself 2 times. In one I got a chat restriction, because apparently speaking with sarcasm (with people who have no clue what they're doing) is a bannable offense. Even though your in-game stats show that you're carrying, initiating, ganking and buying wards more than everyone else.
The second one because I consistently met "premade parties" while solo queuing. And most of these like to force a specific hero role on you. "Hey you, we're on a party, get hero X... oh you don't have it or don't wanna pick it? We're gonna screw the game and report you for refusing to cooperate"... And no, I wouldn't do what they wanted. Got a 7 day suspension from it.
Any "community" driven judging system will be plagued by people judging others with a very limited amount of info (while the devs can have some other info), and with anINSANEamount of immature prejudice. Imagine the Lord of Flies here. A judging system which depends on the maturity and reason of a couple hundred 12 year olds, and their own childish views of how people should behave. Yeah, that certainly works.
The LoL tribunal is a placebo.It follows the following mantra: simply ban everyone. They'll get so scared of doing anything that they'll become void apathic shells. Even pro gamers started getting banned/restricted left and right for losing their temper with much worse players. That's a matchmaking problem, pairing braindead players with extremely good ones. But the devs won't admit that, let alone solve it. It's a bit of an off-topic issue, but since you asked.. And no, I don't think at all a "report system" would ever work in a game like D3. It can be a good way to "point" devs to what they need to look for (like watch a specific account's behaviour if it has been reported too much), but not as a be-all-end-all banning system.
I've seen how quickly Blizzard can deal with individuals who break the rules when they put their mind to it. A friend of mine had his entire account deleted into fucking OBLIVION for trying a wow botting program for all of 45 seconds. He did not even figure it out. He just got cold feet and scrapped the whole idea. His account was nuked and paved on the spot.
Isn't that a contradiction? They are giving cheaters absolutely NO freedom, as you can see with this example of 45 seconds of bot usage and getting banned. (Regardless of the fact that I think there's more to the story, there are also warnings for minor offenses.)
Just like I said earlier, and as Zero said as well - it is close to impossible to detect cheaters because some of the bots work exactly the same way as "efficient players". You can't just go ahead and ban the top 1000 elite kills players at Diabloprogress. Are many of them bots? Absolutely yes. Are all of them bots? No. There are even some of the 24/7 streamers pretty high on that list, and they have thousands of hours of Twitch footage to prove that they didn't use a bot software.
After all, bots don't have as much of an impact as they had in other games, and with the AH gone and legendaries BoA their impact will be close to zero in a few weeks.
Well because I mentioned 2 experiences so vastly far apart and vastly different I can see why they would appear as a contradiction
and no there is not more to the story. I know i'll probably never convince you or anyone of that...but thats how it went down:
he installed a bot program, attempted to configure it, then allow it to drive his character with the WoW Client logged in for about 45 seconds...got squirrely about it due to the common knowledge of botters being banned, but that was enough to earn a ban. An instant and irreversible ban. no pleading for a naked character replacement, no paying a fee to lift the ban. no laws, no rights, no nothing. just a great big "fuck you, go buy a new account" as swift and as harsh a justice as you can imagine. And he deserved it. No one felt sorry for him. blizzard made the rules clear. there was no high emotion...it was just taken in by all of us as what happened...but my god we laugh about it to this day LOL!!
Banning the entire diablo-progress roster would be a laughably stupid move. As would be ignoring the clues inevitably baked into that same roster.
no one would even suggest to ban the entire top 1000, no one would ever do it, no one would even think of doing it its not even in the realm of possibility. personally I feel that not using the data gathered from that site among god knows how many other varied sources is also a stupid move......its allowing the game to be raped...
Also its been predicted that BoA will solve nothing. Entire accounts will trade hands. Another wild and lucrative operation that probably contain clues....
clues that may sit in plain view for all to see that could lead to punishment for breaking that rules that probably wont.....
maybe your right though maybe the impact of botting is not as crazy as I think.....
maybe I take it to much to heart.....but if I made a game from scratch that was the scope of D3 and within a year people were selling items for several fold over the TWO BILLION gold predicted limit per piece....I'd probably actually cry....
I'm a pretty huge fan of video games and its basically RPG/Strategy/Sandbox games and not much else. Im a big fan of the rules as well ideally I feel that everyone if following the rules creates the games universe. To me its a fun thing to think about and know about to view the games population and stories, for the same reason people follow hockey franchises. all the good and bad players all the ups and downs are a story and an experience. And cheaters fuck that story up. Not unlike a cheating scandal in a sports organization....Oh i guess its happened before....I guess I need to brush up on my sports knowledge lol......
anyways this is interesting....i gotta learn more about this insane "colour reading" bot.....thats pretty nuts.....
I think the bot your friend tried left some very clear coding signs of it, that's why they could ban him so quickly. But as I said, some bots nowadays work a lot like real people, they "read" the screen and just act (with very similar mouse clicks and button presses) much like a normal player.
I've been banned/restricted by the LoL tribunal myself 2 times. In one I got a chat restriction, because apparently speaking with sarcasm (with people who have no clue what they're doing) is a bannable offense. Even though your in-game stats show that you're carrying, initiating, ganking and buying wards more than everyone else.
The second one because I consistently met "premade parties" while solo queuing. And most of these like to force a specific hero role on you. "Hey you, we're on a party, get hero X... oh you don't have it or don't wanna pick it? We're gonna screw the game and report you for refusing to cooperate"... And no, I wouldn't do what they wanted. Got a 7 day suspension from it.
Any "community" driven judging system will be plagued by people judging others with a very limited amount of info (while the devs can have some other info), and with anINSANEamount of immature prejudice. Imagine the Lord of Flies here. A judging system which depends on the maturity and reason of a couple hundred 12 year olds, and their own childish views of how people should behave. Yeah, that certainly works.
The LoL tribunal is a placebo.It follows the following mantra: simply ban everyone. They'll get so scared of doing anything that they'll become void apathic shells. Even pro gamers started getting banned/restricted left and right for losing their temper with much worse players. That's a matchmaking problem, pairing braindead players with extremely good ones. But the devs won't admit that, let alone solve it. It's a bit of an off-topic issue, but since you asked.. And no, I don't think at all a "report system" would ever work in a game like D3. It can be a good way to "point" devs to what they need to look for (like watch a specific account's behaviour if it has been reported too much), but not as a be-all-end-all banning system.
lol thats a neat write up. my tribunal experience is different then yours I've never received a punishment or warning from it (luckily), and interestingly enough, when i was judging cases it was kinda tiring. I felt they gave a WEALTH of info to the "jury" and after combing though it I found I was not voting to punish many players at all.......lots of anger....lots of trash talk.....but the scores and the timing of the games rarely exposed a loser.
oh sometimes there was some truly clear cut cases....oh my god CRYSTAL clear....heh!
Yeah, I don't see this happening on a large scale. Sure, maybe some people do this. But it is a completely different problem than the AH.
The AH allowed for quick upgrades, easy access to a lot of items, and incremental upgrades for little money and no effort. The AH was all about min/maxing and making your character stronger every day.
Trading entire accounts means that you will always have a minimum fee (D3+RoS license have to be paid for, after all). It means that you reset your entire progress (you can't take any legendaries or enforged rares from your old account with you). You cannot min/max an existing char, but only re-roll from your character to a new, super OP character for a large amount of money, and there's no way of re-selling it as simple as using the AH. And with all of these purchases there's always the danger that the seller takes the account back by inquiring Blizzard (CD key, old password, security question, and address, and claiming that the account was hacked).
The risk is incredibly high for a one-time, expensive reward. The AH was the absolute opposite.
You say BoA solves nothing? I say BoA solves just about everything. But it's my opinion :-)
I'd bet there are some pretty hardcore cheats out there for D3...just like pretty much every other online game ever. The real cheats you will likely never know about though. The people who make those are a tight knit group and they keep them close to their chests. They won't show up on "those" forums that Zero mentioned. The best analogy is consider the botters and dupers as "script kiddies" and the real cheaters as true "hackers"...though actual hacking of the server may or may not be involved. It's the same way I look at regular players, you have the true elites who I have at least some respect for who do all of the theory crafting and number crunching to find the perfect builds, you can see themat places like elitistjerks.com. Then you have the poser elitists (99% of them) who just copy the flavor-of-the-month from those who actually figured it out.
Yeah, I don't see this happening on a large scale. Sure, maybe some people do this. But it is a completely different problem than the AH.
The AH allowed for quick upgrades, easy access to a lot of items, and incremental upgrades for little money and no effort. The AH was all about min/maxing and making your character stronger every day.
Trading entire accounts means that you will always have a minimum fee (D3+RoS license have to be paid for, after all). It means that you reset your entire progress (you can't take any legendaries or enforged rares from your old account with you). You cannot min/max an existing char, but only re-roll from your character to a new, super OP character for a large amount of money, and there's no way of re-selling it as simple as using the AH. And with all of these purchases there's always the danger that the seller takes the account back by inquiring Blizzard (CD key, old password, security question, and address, and claiming that the account was hacked).
The risk is incredibly high for a one-time, expensive reward. The AH was the absolute opposite.
You say BoA solves nothing? I say BoA solves just about everything. But it's my opinion :-)
na you're right in a way......what I was envisioning in my mind was the "pay to win model" that fuels the botters ; instead of making money from items and gold they will have to make money from entire accounts......trading accounts is WAY less convenient than what tools we have in place now. BoA will certainly dent the hell out of the whole shitty operation.......thank god...
As a long time D2 player and former IRC owner Im more than aware of the cheating in that game.
I have no evidence of, nor have I seen or heard of any botting in D3 Im just wondering if it is happening (Im sure it is) and to what extent.
I have no desire to cheat so I dont want official hack names or websites, more of a casual acknowledgement for my own curiosity.
Im rather enjoying D3 as more of a casual player than I was in the past (100 D2 CD keys, proxies etc), RoS looks enticing since it becomes about farming your own gear, not just going to JSP and buying it but I will admit I will mourn the convenience and relative safety of the Gold AH that I used a few times.
Thanks in advance, Im not looking for trouble or info on how to cheat, I like my account surely will not jeopardize it for some pixesl, just wondering how blizz is handling it or if it is infact widespread, but without the lobby system hard to tell to the casual player.
Botting exists. And you'll never get rid of it completely. Just tune in to streamers that play their WW barb for 24/7. Then imagine what it would look like if a bot was playing that WW barb. The answer is: it would be exactly the same. A bot is a very efficient way of playing the game, and many dedicated players are just exactly doing that - squeezing every bit of efficiency out of the game. It's probably impossible to detect bots just from playstyle, and Blizzard obviously doesn't want to ban players who didn't use any bots; so there are quite a few players that are botting. Whether it's 1% or 10% - no one knows. However, the inflation is nowhere near as bad as in D2, and with RoS the incentive for bots will be minimal (gems and perfect rares might be interesting in the beginning, but after some time people will run out of resources anyways and the determining factor to progress will just be BoA items and materials).
Can I ask a question - what do you mean by "IRC owner"? Are you talking about an IRC chat server? I wasn't aware that was a thing in D2, care to enlighten me? I love IRC and miss the days when IRC was a serious competitor to online messengers.
I like the changes in RoS against botting or at least profit, and I agree with online only if anything to avoid any messing with the online client.
I understand what you're after, btw. And I've been looking to get some updated info on this as well.
It's been a while since I last checked the forums of those kind of resources to see the statistics on how many people there bot, how many are getting banned, etc. Things like how easy and safe it actually is to bot nowadays in D3, and how smart are the bots (can they kill bosses? can they play with more "complex" builds) are things I'd like to know too.
I do know, for a fact, that there's a tool that reveals the entire mini-map layout, and that allows you to kind of see through walls (it shows enemies and elites that are on the other side). It doesn't show specific mini-events/quests on outdoor areas, but indoor dungeons are almost always entirely revealed. I do not know if that is done by asking such info from the server, or if it's done based on its own "database" from which it pulls the map layouts.
Also, as far as I know, there has been 0 proof of a "duping" hack in D3 to this day. There is (was?) a known bug that made equal items drop twice in a row in some games (I've personally had two 100% equal Butcher's Sickles drop so I know that exists). Also that some people were using the rollback mechanism to multiply items (all while pretending to have been hacked and faking "legit trades" with other accounts, so that either account wasn't banned).
As for the guy reporting himself...ehh I can report anybody for botting, they need proof. If its like Lance Armstrong and undetectable they wont do squat.
I would be lying if I said I havent wished for a maphack now and then especially leveling an alt toon, but with no teleporting its not that crucial.
Speaking of teleporting, I hope thats one thing from D2 that never makes it to D3. Id love to see runes and runewords but never enigma again.
Thanks for the replies, wasnt sure if discussions of this sort where taboo here in these boards.
i find it sad to hear that they actually let the botters grow and grow and farm away for months at a time. bot farms absolutely raking in dough....
I remember following a guy around in WoW. I tagged mobs he was going to "melee" to death for 40 minutes at level 75. i denied 100% of his experience gain and he did not whisper me, he did not look at me, he did not type anything at all. he just kept sitting drinking eating after every mob was tagged for the entire length of time. He also ignored 50 whispers and probably 100 party requests. All with out even glancing at me even one time
and he was in the same zone doing the exact same thing for multiple days. good thing he was treated as a legitimate player....
but yea...I cant prove any thing so I guess thats how a legit player plays the game. and with the huge spotlight diabloprogress cast on the game?
Characters with unthinkably high amounts of kills.........nope. no proof. they are all legit.
Nice.
I'd go as far to say that some of these bots are more competent players than a lot of people. And while a 24/7 activity might seem an "obvious proof of botting" to most of us, to Blizzard (from a company's perspective) they can't deal with the huge hassle that would be people saying they actually play that much (and Blizz has no way to prove otherwise).
Again, it's not about whether a bot is obvious, it's about whether or not they can prove it from a coding perspective. The kind of situation you described means nothing to a company that has to deal with real consequences to things like banning people (with lawsuits and the like). It's not as easy as it seems
Obviously resting on the fat haunches ofproof do littleto deter idiot cheaters from polluting a rule bound game universe.....
I've seen how quickly Blizzard can deal with individuals who break the rules when they put their mind to it.
A friend of mine had his entire account deleted into fucking OBLIVION for trying a wow botting program for all of 45 seconds. He did not even figure it out. He just got cold feet and scrapped the whole idea.
His account was nuked and paved on the spot.
We often teased him for suffering through the biggest screw-job in Warcraft history......months of raid time flushed into the toilet for not a single copper piece.
Whats your thoughts on the LoL Tribunal?
Just like I said earlier, and as Zero said as well - it is close to impossible to detect cheaters because some of the bots work exactly the same way as "efficient players". You can't just go ahead and ban the top 1000 elite kills players at Diabloprogress. Are many of them bots? Absolutely yes. Are all of them bots? No. There are even some of the 24/7 streamers pretty high on that list, and they have thousands of hours of Twitch footage to prove that they didn't use a bot software.
After all, bots don't have as much of an impact as they had in other games, and with the AH gone and legendaries BoA their impact will be close to zero in a few weeks.
I've been banned/restricted by the LoL tribunal myself 2 times. In one I got a chat restriction, because apparently speaking with sarcasm (with people who have no clue what they're doing) is a bannable offense. Even though your in-game stats show that you're carrying, initiating, ganking and buying wards more than everyone else.
The second one because I consistently met "premade parties" while solo queuing. And most of these like to force a specific hero role on you. "Hey you, we're on a party, get hero X... oh you don't have it or don't wanna pick it? We're gonna screw the game and report you for refusing to cooperate"... And no, I wouldn't do what they wanted. Got a 7 day suspension from it.
Any "community" driven judging system will be plagued by people judging others with a very limited amount of info (while the devs can have some other info), and with anINSANE amount of immature prejudice. Imagine the Lord of Flies here. A judging system which depends on the maturity and reason of a couple hundred 12 year olds, and their own childish views of how people should behave. Yeah, that certainly works.
The LoL tribunal is a placebo.It follows the following mantra: simply ban everyone. They'll get so scared of doing anything that they'll become void apathic shells. Even pro gamers started getting banned/restricted left and right for losing their temper with much worse players. That's a matchmaking problem, pairing braindead players with extremely good ones. But the devs won't admit that, let alone solve it.
It's a bit of an off-topic issue, but since you asked.. And no, I don't think at all a "report system" would ever work in a game like D3. It can be a good way to "point" devs to what they need to look for (like watch a specific account's behaviour if it has been reported too much), but not as a be-all-end-all banning system.
and no there is not more to the story. I know i'll probably never convince you or anyone of that...but thats how it went down:
he installed a bot program, attempted to configure it, then allow it to drive his character with the WoW Client logged in for about 45 seconds...got squirrely about it due to the common knowledge of botters being banned, but that was enough to earn a ban. An instant and irreversible ban. no pleading for a naked character replacement, no paying a fee to lift the ban. no laws, no rights, no nothing. just a great big "fuck you, go buy a new account" as swift and as harsh a justice as you can imagine. And he deserved it. No one felt sorry for him. blizzard made the rules clear. there was no high emotion...it was just taken in by all of us as what happened...but my god we laugh about it to this day LOL!!
Banning the entire diablo-progress roster would be a laughably stupid move. As would be ignoring the clues inevitably baked into that same roster.
no one would even suggest to ban the entire top 1000, no one would ever do it, no one would even think of doing it its not even in the realm of possibility. personally I feel that not using the data gathered from that site among god knows how many other varied sources is also a stupid move......its allowing the game to be raped...
Also its been predicted that BoA will solve nothing. Entire accounts will trade hands. Another wild and lucrative operation that probably contain clues....
clues that may sit in plain view for all to see that could lead to punishment for breaking that rules that probably wont.....
maybe your right though maybe the impact of botting is not as crazy as I think.....
maybe I take it to much to heart.....but if I made a game from scratch that was the scope of D3 and within a year people were selling items for several fold over the TWO BILLION gold predicted limit per piece....I'd probably actually cry....
I'm a pretty huge fan of video games and its basically RPG/Strategy/Sandbox games and not much else. Im a big fan of the rules as well ideally I feel that everyone if following the rules creates the games universe. To me its a fun thing to think about and know about to view the games population and stories, for the same reason people follow hockey franchises. all the good and bad players all the ups and downs are a story and an experience. And cheaters fuck that story up. Not unlike a cheating scandal in a sports organization....Oh i guess its happened before....I guess I need to brush up on my sports knowledge lol......
anyways this is interesting....i gotta learn more about this insane "colour reading" bot.....thats pretty nuts.....
oh sometimes there was some truly clear cut cases....oh my god CRYSTAL clear....heh!
The AH allowed for quick upgrades, easy access to a lot of items, and incremental upgrades for little money and no effort. The AH was all about min/maxing and making your character stronger every day.
Trading entire accounts means that you will always have a minimum fee (D3+RoS license have to be paid for, after all). It means that you reset your entire progress (you can't take any legendaries or enforged rares from your old account with you). You cannot min/max an existing char, but only re-roll from your character to a new, super OP character for a large amount of money, and there's no way of re-selling it as simple as using the AH. And with all of these purchases there's always the danger that the seller takes the account back by inquiring Blizzard (CD key, old password, security question, and address, and claiming that the account was hacked).
The risk is incredibly high for a one-time, expensive reward. The AH was the absolute opposite.
You say BoA solves nothing? I say BoA solves just about everything. But it's my opinion :-)
I was also a dclone hunter but i had to buy the cdkeys for 7$ each from asian sellers
I stopped hunting now because of all the crashing going on (every time dclone walks the whole server is crashed by some idiot within 3-7 seconds)
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