mf was capped in d2 and d3 already.. its just the max u could get off items.. so i dont understand ur arguments..
/clap for changes n thx blizz
Because I already enter the game with over 100 paragon levels of MF and still farm the same content you do and gain nothing from the paragon system? Their cap of 300% before valor I already have with zero paragon levels, as do a heap of their dedicated players.
Do you not see the giant problem with that ?
All this is going to do is (1) ruin dps + MF gear & (2) promote gear swapping with blue MF items till max paragon.
But hey if you dont get that then theirs no hope =P
If they capped DPS at 50k and only let you get 10k more through Paragon, people would be hitting the roof. I mean so what if you got more DPS on your gear already then the cap allows, now you can just sell it off for better Defensive stats, hooray! I mean come on it will be a few months before you hit the DPS cap, so that makes it OK right??!?!
If they capped DPS at 50k and only let you get 10k more through Paragon, people would be hitting the roof. I mean so what if you got more DPS on your gear already then the cap allows, now you can just sell it off for better Defensive stats, hooray! I mean come on it will be a few months before you hit the DPS cap, so that makes it OK right??!?!
Ahhh said so beautifully.
Cant wait to repost this along with my argument to promote a rethink on the "hard cap" on the official forums once it lets me login again =P
With swapping only my weapon I already go over 400% with my templar and valor because I worked my arse off to get this gear that capable of farming end game content.
I sold all my high end DPS gear to put together this act 3/4 MF farming set and now your telling me that even with zero paragon level im about to lose MF?!?!?
I dont get how this stops gear swapping, i dont swap gear, i farm act 3 with 350+% MF because I worked my arse of for 500 hours in game and probably another 200 hours on the Auction house selling and trading gear.
So blizzard, damn....i actually wanna cry coz I invested so much of my time into making the perfect MF act 3/4 farming set and you go and ruin it as im already at the cap and gain nothing from your paragon system.
Solution: Remove the cap, let us go to 700% MF if we want to. Why stop your loyal/dedicated and possibly a little hardcore fans from playing the game at the 'level' that they want to?
So max, with a weapon swap, you are at 325%?
You were never ever going to get higher than that, or at least not much higher.
So now you can get to 300% with no gimpy weapon swap, you can get to 300% and start trading your uber gear for even better gear?
Don't you think that all of those bonuses will quickly offset the 25% MF you are losing? Oh and on top of that you will actually get to use any epic weapon or armor you find.
Out of all the things Blizzard has changed, the gripes on this one are the funniest.
Cant wait to repost this along with my argument to promote a rethink on the "hard cap" on the official forums once it lets me login again =P
Good luck, Blizz does indeed cave in (see Death Knight fiasco) but Id bet they would make Paragon account wide before they lifted the cap. JW is Hell bent to equalize the drop rates at the top. THE HOUSE MUST MAINTAIN ALL ADVANTAGES!
If they capped DPS at 50k and only let you get 10k more through Paragon, people would be hitting the roof. I mean so what if you got more DPS on your gear already then the cap allows, now you can just sell it off for better Defensive stats, hooray! I mean come on it will be a few months before you hit the DPS cap, so that makes it OK right??!?!
Ahhh said so beautifully.
Cant wait to repost this along with my argument to promote a rethink on the "hard cap" on the official forums once it lets me login again =P
What are you talking about, That might be the worst argument I have ever seen. There is already a cap based on Gear maximums. The example isn't even comparable.
dps is capped already by maximum affixes on items and skills, so is everything in the game....
paragon is just an addition, a goodie for ppl who play alot.... i dont know the hard cap of mf now but i am sure its around 300 so if u do like some runs per day, mf will be the way to go for a long time.. if u play hardcore u can skip mf stuff and go for hardcore dps to finish stuff faster..
Yes but the cap is LOWER then what can be gotten with gear. Again, you will be getting passive DPS and survivability boosts with Paragon, should they start making DPS and DEF caps too? 1000k max resists???
If they capped DPS at 50k and only let you get 10k more through Paragon, people would be hitting the roof. I mean so what if you got more DPS on your gear already then the cap allows, now you can just sell it off for better Defensive stats, hooray! I mean come on it will be a few months before you hit the DPS cap, so that makes it OK right??!?!
Ahhh said so beautifully.
Cant wait to repost this along with my argument to promote a rethink on the "hard cap" on the official forums once it lets me login again =P
What are you talking about, That might be the worst argument I have ever seen. There is already a cap based on Gear maximums. The example isn't even comparable.
Its simple enough even you should get it, ill explain it another way.
You reach "said dps cap", your 1% of the playerbase. Lets say your dps is 10000
Devs now say that DPS Max is 5000, and you get an extra 5000 from paragon levels.
So now your investment of time to get the extra 5000 DPS and be in the top of the community is worthless.
I don't see why you'll have to swap out anything. Your gear is good enough as it is. Over time the MF that you've acquired will lose its power, but all your other stats on that gear are still very useful. You're in a perfect situation for having max MF from the very beginning and at the Paragon max you'll still have great gear.
This.
They didn't kill swapping. It will be a VERY long time before you don't need it anymore due to you Paragon levels. By then, they will have started rolling out their new ideas for MF (taken off items and put somewhere else, it won't stay exclusively on Paragon levels since that's meant to be a very long term goal).
If you're playing this game to have the most badass MF set then you're destined for disappointment. The nature of this game is that people catch up slowly anyway. Bitching that you're not the most badass person after everyone else has 75+ PLvls is a bit like bitching that one day everyone is going to have 100k+ DPS and your gear is no longer special.
It's going to happen with or without PLvls. Thinking it won't is oblivious to how the game works.
EDIT
Also, making two threads about this is douchey.
dps is capped already by maximum affixes on items and skills, so is everything in the game....
paragon is just an addition, a goodie for ppl who play alot.... i dont know the hard cap of mf now but i am sure its around 300 so if u do like some runs per day, mf will be the way to go for a long time.. if u play hardcore u can skip mf stuff and go for hardcore dps to finish stuff faster..
Yes but the cap is LOWER then what can be gotten with gear. Againg, you will be getting passive DPS and survivability boosts with Paragon, should they start making DPS and DEF caps too? 1000k max resists???
Every stat is maxed based on gear, the MF cap they set is just below the top end possibility, normally only achieved through gear swaps. For the OP it might be a drop in 25% MF, but on the flipside no more weapon swap for consistent high DPS. I love that so many people complaining about this are well below or just barely above the cap.
The OP isn't even at the cap when playing with a group! He even states that they way he farms is with a group of barbs. So this will quickly be a buff for him.
With swapping only my weapon I already go over 400% with my templar and valor because I worked my arse off to get this gear that capable of farming end game content.
I sold all my high end DPS gear to put together this act 3/4 MF farming set and now your telling me that even with zero paragon level im about to lose MF?!?!?
I dont get how this stops gear swapping, i dont swap gear, i farm act 3 with 350+% MF because I worked my arse of for 500 hours in game and probably another 200 hours on the Auction house selling and trading gear.
So blizzard, damn....i actually wanna cry coz I invested so much of my time into making the perfect MF act 3/4 farming set and you go and ruin it as im already at the cap and gain nothing from your paragon system.
Solution: Remove the cap, let us go to 700% MF if we want to. Why stop your loyal/dedicated and possibly a little hardcore fans from playing the game at the 'level' that they want to?
They removed MF? When did they do that? I read the patch notes and I see nothing about them removing MF.
Plus you are directing your drivel at blizzard while posting on an unofficial forum.... wtf? You do realize this is not the official D3 forums right? This is nothing but a fansite.
Also, the cap? They capped at 300 MF because that was the highest you could get via gear after removing MF from chests. Without your followers MF, a fortune shrine, and NV buff the max you can hit for MF is 312. Make that 292 due to chests no longer having MF on them. They capped you at 300 with 1.0.4. If you are really upset to the point of crying like this on an unofficial forum you need to realize this is a video game, not your entire life.
Blizz made themselves very publically known over the last 2 months that they did not like the idea of gear swapping and wanted to change the system.
They then went on to ask us for our advice and their was a big discussion on it.
//read the main site more often buddy
I'm completely aware of the blizz's MF swapping blog. It starts off with things like:
"Since release it has become an increasingly common practice to keep a Magic Find (MF) set in your inventory, and swap it in shortly before a kill. Philosophically we don't have a problem with the practice."
"It's worth keeping in mind that if we do implement a method to alleviate gear-swapping in combat, we'll simultaneously be looking at ways for players to get an added MF bonus to compensate."
They go on with several suggestions, first of which is:
"We could set an MF cap between something like 100% and 200%. Nephalem Valor provides 75%, so you would need between 25% and 125% to reach the hard cap."
ppl read this, for some reason assumed blue MF gear will become useless and started to massively buy MF farming gear for over inflated prices. I know it really sucks to lose 100Ms of gold, but investing into something blizz explicitly stated they will probably be changing is a huge speculation and I'd say losing the investment is at least partially your own fault.
dps is capped already by maximum affixes on items and skills, so is everything in the game....
paragon is just an addition, a goodie for ppl who play alot.... i dont know the hard cap of mf now but i am sure its around 300 so if u do like some runs per day, mf will be the way to go for a long time.. if u play hardcore u can skip mf stuff and go for hardcore dps to finish stuff faster..
Yes but the cap is LOWER then what can be gotten with gear. Againg, you will be getting passive DPS and survivability boosts with Paragon, should they start making DPS and DEF caps too? 1000k max resists???
Every stat is maxed based on gear, the MF cap they set is just below the top end possibility, normally only achieved through gear swaps. For the OP it might be a drop in 25% MF, but on the flipside no more weapon swap for consistent high DPS. I love that so many people complaining about this are well below or just barely above the cap.
The OP isn't even at the cap when playing with a group! He even states that they way he farms is with a group of barbs. So this will quickly be a buff for him.
I would be at over 700% MF with 100 paragon levels if there wasnt a cap.
I dont know why your pulling out this 25% loss number...Maybe your not calculating in the extra 300% of paragon into my gear to work out the loss im talking about.
The point is there is already gear rolling in the game that puts you over 375% WITHOUT SWAPPING and still rocking act 3/4 inferno yet now your better buying blues with max MF and using AHK to swap them inbetween elite kills to save yourself over 200million gold.
DPS + MF was a great system, sad to see it ruined by a cap but yea made my point clear throughout my posts in this thread so those who get it will an those who dont well....probably arnt wearing any MF gear
//in a PvE game thats all about killing monsters for loot I dont get why there is any hate against me for wanting the best farming set at the end of the day. I enjoy making money and rolling good gear. I get that others enjoy looking at higher DPS numbers and killing things a bit quicker. Different strokes?
You've spent a load on gear so you can farm, and you're upset because by the time you've farmed through 100 more levels you won't want to be wearing your current gear, yeah?
So... what are you farming for?
Put another way, if after 100 more levels of farming you end up still in the same gear you're wearing now, wouldn't you be pretty pissed off?
Not really, farming is enjoyable as it earns me money that I bank for the expansion/patches etc. DPS numbers mean nothing to me, I just care about being able to down act 3/4 elites in less than 2mins.
*and if you look at my gear you'll notice Im not at max MF on every piece! I still have 100's of millions I would of needed to spend to get the same DPS with max MF! That would of been a massive farm(but luckily not stopped by any cap if I had so desired to invest the time to get it)
I figured since this is primarily a PvE game that a end game farming build would be choice for me as it allows me to be just under most peoples DPS while getting better loot(due to significant time invested).
So yea, no I dont want more DPS, I want more MF and always will because thats how you out farm the competition and make bank once you have a reasonable level of damage for yourself.
there 214 ppl 300% and over....214 out of hooowwww mannyyyyy? also note theyre shit dps...yea 8k......id rather ahve some one in my group with 40k dps then 400% MF you tards QQing about MF i doubt your even close to #1 and #2.....so stop entitleing your special snow flake BS get off your high horse and be happy for the BETTER things
idk why the hell your complaining your getting GOLD FIND along side it so untill your gear is 300%+MF AAAANNNNNDDDD GF stop your bitching at 160% GF i find stacks of 1500-1600gold regularly
your MF gear isnt even that impressive i highly doubt you do act 3 and 4 solo with 430 resists 27k hp and 27k dps your just a public game leacher who thinks hes entitled to do big damages
there 214 ppl 300% and over....214 out of hooowwww mannyyyyy? also note theyre shit dps...yea 8k......id rather ahve some one in my group with 40k dps then 400% MF you tards QQing about MF i doubt your even close to #1 and #2.....so stop entitleing your special snow flake BS get off your high horse and be happy for the BETTER things
idk why the hell your complaining your getting GOLD FIND along side it so untill your gear is 300%+MF AAAANNNNNDDDD GF stop your bitching at 160% GF i find stacks of 1500-1600gold regularly
I go to 40k DPS buffed...thats plenty to down mobs with my attack speed as a monk in act 3 and 4 along with 730 AR(1000+ with a barb in grp) , 3% LS, 1800 LoH and of course....over 250% MF before my templar/valor/buffs or any kind of swap.
So yea I have the DPS you want and the Magic find because I worked hard to get it and earn great daily bank because of it.
I suppose the emotion just came out of them changing the end game gear so much....to go from wanting the best farming gear to wanting DPS is just a huge adjustment to me....I always wanted to strive for the best MF gear with good DPS as its a hard market to crack but am sad to see that avenue closed with the addition of the paragon MF cap not letting me go to the 600-700% i should be at with lvl 100.
mf is still useful, you will plenty of legendaries before you get paragon level to negate hvaing mf gear trust me. you will most likely never reach max level paragon anyways.
mf is still useful, you will plenty of legendaries before you get paragon level to negate hvaing mf gear trust me. you will most likely never reach max level paragon anyways.
hes too blind to realise this i still dont see what hes bitching about hes geting gold find ontop of it.....so untill he links his set with 300%MF and GF hes just some QQer who wants to be a special snow flake....not because he nearned his money he prolly got a lucky drop and sold it for a shit ton
So blizzard, damn....i actually wanna cry coz I invested so much of my time into making the perfect MF act 3/4 farming set and you go and ruin it as im already at the cap and gain nothing from your paragon system.
Dude, how old are you? 12?
Get a grip. It's a game man, and either embrace changes made, or go cry and play your Atari Jaguar.
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Because I already enter the game with over 100 paragon levels of MF and still farm the same content you do and gain nothing from the paragon system? Their cap of 300% before valor I already have with zero paragon levels, as do a heap of their dedicated players.
Do you not see the giant problem with that ?
All this is going to do is (1) ruin dps + MF gear & (2) promote gear swapping with blue MF items till max paragon.
But hey if you dont get that then theirs no hope =P
Ahhh said so beautifully.
Cant wait to repost this along with my argument to promote a rethink on the "hard cap" on the official forums once it lets me login again =P
So max, with a weapon swap, you are at 325%?
You were never ever going to get higher than that, or at least not much higher.
So now you can get to 300% with no gimpy weapon swap, you can get to 300% and start trading your uber gear for even better gear?
Don't you think that all of those bonuses will quickly offset the 25% MF you are losing? Oh and on top of that you will actually get to use any epic weapon or armor you find.
Out of all the things Blizzard has changed, the gripes on this one are the funniest.
Good luck, Blizz does indeed cave in (see Death Knight fiasco) but Id bet they would make Paragon account wide before they lifted the cap. JW is Hell bent to equalize the drop rates at the top. THE HOUSE MUST MAINTAIN ALL ADVANTAGES!
What are you talking about, That might be the worst argument I have ever seen. There is already a cap based on Gear maximums. The example isn't even comparable.
Yes but the cap is LOWER then what can be gotten with gear. Again, you will be getting passive DPS and survivability boosts with Paragon, should they start making DPS and DEF caps too? 1000k max resists???
Its simple enough even you should get it, ill explain it another way.
You reach "said dps cap", your 1% of the playerbase. Lets say your dps is 10000
Devs now say that DPS Max is 5000, and you get an extra 5000 from paragon levels.
So now your investment of time to get the extra 5000 DPS and be in the top of the community is worthless.
Get it ?
This.
They didn't kill swapping. It will be a VERY long time before you don't need it anymore due to you Paragon levels. By then, they will have started rolling out their new ideas for MF (taken off items and put somewhere else, it won't stay exclusively on Paragon levels since that's meant to be a very long term goal).
If you're playing this game to have the most badass MF set then you're destined for disappointment. The nature of this game is that people catch up slowly anyway. Bitching that you're not the most badass person after everyone else has 75+ PLvls is a bit like bitching that one day everyone is going to have 100k+ DPS and your gear is no longer special.
It's going to happen with or without PLvls. Thinking it won't is oblivious to how the game works.
EDIT
Also, making two threads about this is douchey.
Every stat is maxed based on gear, the MF cap they set is just below the top end possibility, normally only achieved through gear swaps. For the OP it might be a drop in 25% MF, but on the flipside no more weapon swap for consistent high DPS. I love that so many people complaining about this are well below or just barely above the cap.
The OP isn't even at the cap when playing with a group! He even states that they way he farms is with a group of barbs. So this will quickly be a buff for him.
They removed MF? When did they do that? I read the patch notes and I see nothing about them removing MF.
Plus you are directing your drivel at blizzard while posting on an unofficial forum.... wtf? You do realize this is not the official D3 forums right? This is nothing but a fansite.
Also, the cap? They capped at 300 MF because that was the highest you could get via gear after removing MF from chests. Without your followers MF, a fortune shrine, and NV buff the max you can hit for MF is 312. Make that 292 due to chests no longer having MF on them. They capped you at 300 with 1.0.4. If you are really upset to the point of crying like this on an unofficial forum you need to realize this is a video game, not your entire life.
I'm completely aware of the blizz's MF swapping blog. It starts off with things like:
"Since release it has become an increasingly common practice to keep a Magic Find (MF) set in your inventory, and swap it in shortly before a kill. Philosophically we don't have a problem with the practice."
"It's worth keeping in mind that if we do implement a method to alleviate gear-swapping in combat, we'll simultaneously be looking at ways for players to get an added MF bonus to compensate."
They go on with several suggestions, first of which is:
"We could set an MF cap between something like 100% and 200%. Nephalem Valor provides 75%, so you would need between 25% and 125% to reach the hard cap."
ppl read this, for some reason assumed blue MF gear will become useless and started to massively buy MF farming gear for over inflated prices. I know it really sucks to lose 100Ms of gold, but investing into something blizz explicitly stated they will probably be changing is a huge speculation and I'd say losing the investment is at least partially your own fault.
I would be at over 700% MF with 100 paragon levels if there wasnt a cap.
I dont know why your pulling out this 25% loss number...Maybe your not calculating in the extra 300% of paragon into my gear to work out the loss im talking about.
The point is there is already gear rolling in the game that puts you over 375% WITHOUT SWAPPING and still rocking act 3/4 inferno yet now your better buying blues with max MF and using AHK to swap them inbetween elite kills to save yourself over 200million gold.
DPS + MF was a great system, sad to see it ruined by a cap but yea made my point clear throughout my posts in this thread so those who get it will an those who dont well....probably arnt wearing any MF gear
//in a PvE game thats all about killing monsters for loot I dont get why there is any hate against me for wanting the best farming set at the end of the day. I enjoy making money and rolling good gear. I get that others enjoy looking at higher DPS numbers and killing things a bit quicker. Different strokes?
Not really, farming is enjoyable as it earns me money that I bank for the expansion/patches etc. DPS numbers mean nothing to me, I just care about being able to down act 3/4 elites in less than 2mins.
*and if you look at my gear you'll notice Im not at max MF on every piece! I still have 100's of millions I would of needed to spend to get the same DPS with max MF! That would of been a massive farm(but luckily not stopped by any cap if I had so desired to invest the time to get it)
I figured since this is primarily a PvE game that a end game farming build would be choice for me as it allows me to be just under most peoples DPS while getting better loot(due to significant time invested).
So yea, no I dont want more DPS, I want more MF and always will because thats how you out farm the competition and make bank once you have a reasonable level of damage for yourself.
there 214 ppl 300% and over....214 out of hooowwww mannyyyyy? also note theyre shit dps...yea 8k......id rather ahve some one in my group with 40k dps then 400% MF you tards QQing about MF i doubt your even close to #1 and #2.....so stop entitleing your special snow flake BS get off your high horse and be happy for the BETTER things
idk why the hell your complaining your getting GOLD FIND along side it so untill your gear is 300%+MF AAAANNNNNDDDD GF stop your bitching at 160% GF i find stacks of 1500-1600gold regularly
your MF gear isnt even that impressive i highly doubt you do act 3 and 4 solo with 430 resists 27k hp and 27k dps your just a public game leacher who thinks hes entitled to do big damages
I go to 40k DPS buffed...thats plenty to down mobs with my attack speed as a monk in act 3 and 4 along with 730 AR(1000+ with a barb in grp) , 3% LS, 1800 LoH and of course....over 250% MF before my templar/valor/buffs or any kind of swap.
So yea I have the DPS you want and the Magic find because I worked hard to get it and earn great daily bank because of it.
I suppose the emotion just came out of them changing the end game gear so much....to go from wanting the best farming gear to wanting DPS is just a huge adjustment to me....I always wanted to strive for the best MF gear with good DPS as its a hard market to crack but am sad to see that avenue closed with the addition of the paragon MF cap not letting me go to the 600-700% i should be at with lvl 100.
hes too blind to realise this i still dont see what hes bitching about hes geting gold find ontop of it.....so untill he links his set with 300%MF and GF hes just some QQer who wants to be a special snow flake....not because he nearned his money he prolly got a lucky drop and sold it for a shit ton
Dude, how old are you? 12?
Get a grip. It's a game man, and either embrace changes made, or go cry and play your Atari Jaguar.