How much MF gear do you need to actually help? Not counting NV stacks just your walking around MF? I refuse to swap gear so I bought a set that also at least lets me kill stuff. I have enough to hit 245% with my templar but will just 150ish work? Trying to find a good balance between MF and DPS. Like I said I can get to 245% with my Templar but it cuts my killing time way down as my damage drops to 13K. Or I can run with 0 MF and have 26k Damage and lolz my way through everything. Just trying to figure out which is better for Act 1 farming as thats all I can do for now at a fast rate with no chance of death.
That's the thing with Magic Find. You trade DPS for it and can never be quite sure which is better. You can only guess and choose which you prefer. Magic Find will make you progress slowly but ensures some blue items will be rares and sometimes rares can be legendaries. On the other hand if you kill stuff faster you get loot faster, so more rares anyway and always the chance for a legendary.
And the other thing is that there's no sweetspot for MF. The more you have of it the better. The 2 optimal things you can do right now is try and simply incorporate MF into your DPS set without loosing too much damage or just do what most people are doing and go around with a Magic Find set that you swap as you get close to killing an elite.
From what I've found, if you can only do act 1, try to run as much MF as you can, since you're already finding fewer high-ilvl items, you might as well at least be getting rares/magics that will sell better (even if its just to the vendor) or you can get mats from.
My suggestion would be to look at each piece of your gear, and decide if the dps loss is worth the increased MF. Say changing your dps gloves are a 2500 dps gain over your MF gloves, and your dps belt is only a 500 dps gain over your mf belt, switch the belt and don't switch the gloves. Try to find a way to get as much MF as you can while keeping your dps high enough to kill things efficiently. Remember that with 5 stacks of NV you're guarenteed one rare, so I would aim for an MF number that you find you'll consistently be getting at least 2 once you've hit your 5 stacks.
Once you decide to start farming act 2 (or act 3, or act 4 for that matter), just start with your highest damage + survivability gear, and don't worry about MF unless the differences are almost negligible. You'll still be getting the guaranteed rares with your 5 stacks, and until you get the upgrades to have mf and still efficiently farm that act, you'll see much better rewards by killing things fast than by having mf and hitting enrage timers lol
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That's the thing with Magic Find. You trade DPS for it and can never be quite sure which is better. You can only guess and choose which you prefer. Magic Find will make you progress slowly but ensures some blue items will be rares and sometimes rares can be legendaries. On the other hand if you kill stuff faster you get loot faster, so more rares anyway and always the chance for a legendary.
Can I kill stuff in the same speed and sacrifice all survivability for MF doing that for my DH, not sure if it will work though should know in a week..
One thing to also keep in mind is that, after a certain point more dps won't really speed up things by much.
I mean if you're taking forever to kill a white pack, then yes get more dps before you get mf. However, once you start 1-2 shotting all the mobs then bumping your dps up 20% won't really speed up your kill that much. Sure it makes you kill elite faster, but that also depends on how much of your time are actually spent killing elites.
Ideally, you'd want to experiment it out and try to get as much mf gear as possible while still allowing you to sufficiently breeze through an act. There is no diminishing return for mf (at least not within the range attainable by gear), so each point of mf will net you on average the same rare/hr.
From what I've tested, past 200% you will see minor results but below that, feels like you are not wearing any.
That's a false statement. When i did farm runs with monk in ~120MF (~200 with NV) drop quality difference was way above runing with NV and zero MF. Getting 3 rares/pack was often occurence, not to mention even white mobs droping blue/rare frequently.
On the contrary playing barb with zero MF i mostly see 1 rare/elites on 5xNV, sometimes 2 but never higher.
Imo after you've enough dps/defencive stats to blow champs it's time to gear for MF, although it costs a lot atm.
I got 288 mf with 5 valor stacks and I get 2 rares on most packs sometimes 3. Goblins drops 2-4 rares, have gotten 5 rares aswell. Mf above 250 made a big difference in my case.
I have 175 counting NV stacks and I get almost exclusively 2 rares and above. 3 dropping about 25% of the time.
I've built a set for my DH with 303 total using my templar, without NV stacks. That's perf MF in every slot, although I don't use any sets - just max MF rares with good mods. Like you, I refuse to gear-swap, but I want a MF suit that lets me kill stuff. Keeping my MF perfect, I had at first dropped down to 30k dps from 50k, but I've slowly worked my way up to 37k (no sharpshooter) while keeping the MF numbers perfect. Survivability is good too.
I farm act 1-2 easily in it. By swapping in a godly amulet I found, I get up to 47k and can do act 3, which is where I'm currently progressing. Haven't tried act 4 yet.
OK with 5 stacks and Templar and switching my helm in I can farm easily at 281 MF. Although so far Im getting crap for drops but lots more blues so hopefully some of those will turn into yellows. Also didnt gimp my stats much:
And the other thing is that there's no sweetspot for MF. The more you have of it the better. The 2 optimal things you can do right now is try and simply incorporate MF into your DPS set without loosing too much damage or just do what most people are doing and go around with a Magic Find set that you swap as you get close to killing an elite.
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My suggestion would be to look at each piece of your gear, and decide if the dps loss is worth the increased MF. Say changing your dps gloves are a 2500 dps gain over your MF gloves, and your dps belt is only a 500 dps gain over your mf belt, switch the belt and don't switch the gloves. Try to find a way to get as much MF as you can while keeping your dps high enough to kill things efficiently. Remember that with 5 stacks of NV you're guarenteed one rare, so I would aim for an MF number that you find you'll consistently be getting at least 2 once you've hit your 5 stacks.
Once you decide to start farming act 2 (or act 3, or act 4 for that matter), just start with your highest damage + survivability gear, and don't worry about MF unless the differences are almost negligible. You'll still be getting the guaranteed rares with your 5 stacks, and until you get the upgrades to have mf and still efficiently farm that act, you'll see much better rewards by killing things fast than by having mf and hitting enrage timers lol
'Cause I'm the type of nerd that will bust your jaw.
200% total counting NV or wearing 200 on gear?
I mean if you're taking forever to kill a white pack, then yes get more dps before you get mf. However, once you start 1-2 shotting all the mobs then bumping your dps up 20% won't really speed up your kill that much. Sure it makes you kill elite faster, but that also depends on how much of your time are actually spent killing elites.
Ideally, you'd want to experiment it out and try to get as much mf gear as possible while still allowing you to sufficiently breeze through an act. There is no diminishing return for mf (at least not within the range attainable by gear), so each point of mf will net you on average the same rare/hr.
That's a false statement. When i did farm runs with monk in ~120MF (~200 with NV) drop quality difference was way above runing with NV and zero MF. Getting 3 rares/pack was often occurence, not to mention even white mobs droping blue/rare frequently.
On the contrary playing barb with zero MF i mostly see 1 rare/elites on 5xNV, sometimes 2 but never higher.
Imo after you've enough dps/defencive stats to blow champs it's time to gear for MF, although it costs a lot atm.
Ha. Bagstone.
I farm act 1-2 easily in it. By swapping in a godly amulet I found, I get up to 47k and can do act 3, which is where I'm currently progressing. Haven't tried act 4 yet.
Damage: 23K
Health: 26.5K
Crit chance: 30%
Crit Damage 125%
Resists: all b/t 440-600