Dude stop talkin like that. I'm a diablo 1/2 veteran myself and I really enjoy d3. Just because you don't and you think "omg I'm a d2 vet" does not make your opinion the opinion of all d2 veterans. Haters are just very vocal so you might come to the assumption, that the majority of the players are disliking the game. This is not true. The majority of the players are enjoying the game and just don't talk about it on forums all day long.
And don't say "you don't know shit". Because it's proven by science. Go visit a business class there. You will hear about this phenomenon (disappointed customers MUCH MUCH MUCH MORE vocal than happy customers) in your first 3 weeks.
I did not say all D2 vets. I said majority. As such, you are not included in my assumptions, so don't get defensive.
I think the more accurate statement isn't that most D2 players dislike D3....it's, Most players that dislike D3 are veteran D2 players. They expected one thing, got something different, and now are miffed.
Newbs to the franchise went in with an open mind and don't see what all the fuss is about.
This was what I am trying to get across. I guess I may have misphrased it.
I think it's great that people have differences of opinion about the game, I just tend to find that most who are not happy with it offer better constructive arguements then those who feel the game is great.
The problem is that many of these well-constructed arguments are simply not true. People believe them because they read a well-constructed argument, then start spouting ill-informed rage, but no matter how much it is repeated it doesn't suddenly become true.
I know this is a stupid example, but I really think it shows exactly what's wrong with the Diablo Community: people insist that Life Steal is complete garbage because someone made a pretty video and explained that Life On Hit was far superior for hits of around 10k damage. Do you know what I never read on any forum anywhere? "What if you do way more damage per hit than that?" People have been shrieking about the lack of build diversity while I was progressing through Act 2 pre-nerf with a 2h Lifesteal barb.
People on the internet say things that aren't true, and they do it all the time. But a well-argued falsehood is still false.
You can not, under any circumstances come to any conclusion about what the overall player base likes and dislikes by citing the official forums, or the Curse forums or anywhere else. It's far too small a sample size to extrapolate anything. Plus, as has been said so many times now, human beings are far more likely to offer unsolicited complaints as opposed to praise. Of course a large portion of the official forums are complaints and some, a much smaller percentage, are well thought out and fair. For every one of those posts there are probably another 50+ absolute crap, troll, band wagon, pack mentality, drivel posts. You know what people who enjoy the game are doing? They are playing the game, and most of them doing so quietly. Why would you post about how much you enjoy the game knowing that your post will be instantly trolled and derailed by people who make it their mission to fully embody the great internet fuckwad theory. I wouldn't and neither would any of my friends.
I think it's great that people have differences of opinion about the game, I just tend to find that most who are not happy with it offer better constructive arguements then those who feel the game is great.
The problem is that many of these well-constructed arguments are simply not true. People believe them because they read a well-constructed argument, then start spouting ill-informed rage, but no matter how much it is repeated it doesn't suddenly become true.
I know this is a stupid example, but I really think it shows exactly what's wrong with the Diablo Community: people insist that Life Steal is complete garbage because someone made a pretty video and explained that Life On Hit was far superior for hits of around 10k damage. Do you know what I never read on any forum anywhere? "What if you do way more damage per hit than that?" People have been shrieking about the lack of build diversity while I was progressing through Act 2 pre-nerf with a 2h Lifesteal barb.
People on the internet say things that aren't true, and they do it all the time. But a well-argued falsehood is still false.
If you have a well-constructed argument, there is no need to start spouting ill-informed rage because the argument is constructed well? For the most part, I have not seen that rage in all the popular topics I have read since launch. Just well-written and to the point. I am not trying to start a flame war but you stated that it's not true but give no actual reason why. Then the example you provide isn't actually what the popular topics are discussing. I think maybe you should go on the official forums and give them a read.
So if I make a well constructed argument about something deliberately misleading and false people should just accept it as truth simply because I have constructed it well? You are an attorney or politician aren't you?
You can not, under any circumstances come to any conclusion about what the overall player base likes and dislikes by citing the official forums, or the Curse forums or anywhere else. It's far too small a sample size to extrapolate anything. Plus, as has been said so many times now, human beings are far more likely to offer unsolicited complaints as opposed to praise. Of course a large portion of the official forums are complaints and some, a much smaller percentage, are well thought out and fair. For every one of those posts there are probably another 50+ absolute crap, troll, band wagon, pack mentality, drivel posts. You know what people who enjoy the game are doing? They are playing the game, and most of them doing so quietly. Why would you post about how much you enjoy the game knowing that your post will be instantly trolled and derailed by people who make it their mission to fully embody the great internet fuckwad theory. I wouldn't and neither would any of my friends.
I agree totally that happens but I have never seen it to this extent for this long of a period time for any Blizzard game I have played for the past 10 years. While there are many posts like the ones you mentioned above, there are just as many posts that I feel express their displeasure in a very organized, well-written fashion with legitimate concerns that should at least be read if not addressed. I see now where you are coming from about getting a thread derailed by complimenting this game and you are absolutely correct. Even if I feel someone wouldn't be able to make that argument to begin with. But to each their own.
So if I make a well constructed argument about something deliberately misleading and false people should just accept it as truth simply because I have constructed it well? You are an attorney or politician aren't you?
No of course not, you should be able to formulate your own opinion and be able to express it. I am just saying not all people are just crying for the sake of crying
If you have a well-constructed argument, there is no need to start spouting ill-informed rage because the argument is constructed well? For the most part, I have not seen that rage in all the popular topics I have read since launch. Just well-written and to the point. I am not trying to start a flame war but you stated that it's not true but give no actual reason why. Then the example you provide isn't actually what the popular topics are discussing. I think maybe you should go on the official forums and give them a read.
Sure, people are now shrieking about repair costs instead of farming the areas that don't kill them. I understand that there are issues with the game, but people seem to lack even the most basic problem-solving skills whatsoever.
So tell me how d2 is so much better than diablo 3? How long does it typically take to make an enigma on ladder reset? How long does it take until someone literally has a godly character on a reset? A week or less. Diablo 3 was by far a way bigger challenge and as a veteran diablo 2 player I can say probably most nerds that cry about diablo 3 didn't play diablo 2 or plan just suck at the series in a whole. This game was challenging I man hardcore diablo didn't occur until 2 hours from patch 1.03. What does that say as a whole for a game that's so much worse than a very easy outdated game?
Those who have played D2 (a majority) will most likely dislike the way D3 currently is. Most D3 fans probably never played D2 (or at least never did well in it) which is why their expecations are different.
That's a ridiculous and baseless statement.
I think the more accurate statement isn't that most D2 players dislike D3....it's, Most players that dislike D3 are veteran D2 players. They expected one thing, got something different, and now are miffed.
Newbs to the franchise went in with an open mind and don't see what all the fuss is about.
To qualify that one step further towards something remotely resembling a true statement...Most players that dislike D3 are veteran D2 players who wanted to play 10+ years worth of refined and patched D2 with updated graphics, got something different and are now miffed.
Heeeeeeeeeeeeey.....
I am a "veteran" D2 player.
And I love D3. I also cannot wait for the updated content (PvP) and inevitable tweaks to the game, and of course, the expansion(s).
I honestly think most of the players who are acting like they were hardcore D2 fans didnt even play D2 until LOD and a bagillion patches in. Hence, they think that D2 was 5 Acts and had all of these systems and balancing in place at launch.
What weirds me is that so many people (especially D2 fans) seem to completely dismiss the possibility that it's possible to enjoy the hell out of a game that is, fundamentally, about repetition, and then... one day... get sick of it.
People who say "I played D2 for years and years, and I just find D3 boring... so that means D3 is terrible" completely baffle me. Maybe, just maybe, you don't enjoy D3 because the itch D2 scratched has stopped itching. You should certainly expect your money's worth... but expecting hundreds of hours of entertainment from such a basic formula might be over-reaching.
So many of the 'veteran D2 players' that dislike D3 remember a D2 where the best items were easy to get because they were duped widely, and hacks/bots/other made it easy to level to high levels in less than a day *and Blizzard didn't bother to fix it after a while*. Hell runs were faceroll and PK/Hostile could force PvP on anyone who you wanted to kill.
That's not the D2 I remember at all. I remember a D2 that still only ever gave me 1 SoJ in five years, other than the guaranteed drop ones. I had D2 on launch day, as well as LoD, and I was 28 years old when I discovered Diablo I in 1998. So I'm definitely as much or more a veteran as any of those people.
I like D3 a lot. It's very much improved in my eyes, and 1.0.3 fixed many of the worst problems, including a ton of quest exploits are now gone, static 30-sec farming is greatly reduced, and glass cannon cheese builds are pretty much screwed in Inferno. Now Inferno is doable but not faceroll, and the best way to progress is to play the game.
No one can honestly say they 'know' the thoughts of 'the majority'. They can only know the thoughts of themselves and their circle of friends, and that's going to be infinitesimal against the multi-million person D3 playerbase.
one of the worst games in the history of mankind - WOW.
Whether you like WoW or not, that statement was pretty naive.
Very true. No matter your personal opinion on it, WoW affected more than just MMOs. Statements like you quoted are just big flags that say 'Ignore what this person says. He's an idiot.' He's just another person hopping on the "It's cool to bash WoW" bandwagon.
I don't even play anymore, so I have no axe to grind for or against WoW, btw.
From someone who played WOW-D2 for many years. I would have to say I see how WOW influence D3 beside the AH. If you played D2, you would know people bought items all the time, it was on ebay and chinese site.
Is it just me or does this community for the most part absolutely suck? They cry at 1.02b and now they cry at 1.03. It's like blizzards trying to please too many retards who are incompetent when it comes to the diablo series. Many of these cry babies are typical wow players, and I got news for you all. Go back to wow and keep your non diablo experience out of the forums. This game has a lot of diablo 2 feel to it, so I'm pleased for the most part.
Haters gunna hate, in reality your meager voices will stay small because you trolls don't even know what your TALKING about.
The funny part is the people who like the game see them as incompetent (I agree personally, their inability to play the game does not make it a bad game), while the people that suck at the game try to use the games focus on gear to imply it doesn't require skill - when the skill changes they want are just changes to make the game cater to their playstyle, as they don't have enough skill to manage the current game.
Bottom line - changing a game to make it cater to what you can do doesn't require skill, and you will be no more skilled for it. You will just be incompetent at a harder game, and have moved on the something more your speed - check Facebook for some examples.
The reason that people "hate" on D3 so much is because D2 was such a good game lol... You can say what you want about the "community" but D3 has nothing on D2. The expectations for this game were massive, and it didn't live up to those expectations for most people.
Also, even though WoW has a lot of cheese in it that makes me dislike it, it's crazy to say it was a bad game.
However, I think a lot of people would agree with the idea that it went downhill after WotLK. Some might say everything after vanilla was bad, but really I feel like Wrath is where the game started to get bad. Then again, they really stopped adding anything major to the game at that point, and the storylines that people cared about were done.
I always thought the WoW community was bad (at least after the first few years), but yeah, the Diablo community is even worse. Just full of whiners and haters.
I would actually go out on a limb and say that a majority of the people complaining ARE the WoW community.
I did not say all D2 vets. I said majority. As such, you are not included in my assumptions, so don't get defensive.
Yes, the weight of a message is dependent upon the length of membership and number of posts. Nice one genious!
This was what I am trying to get across. I guess I may have misphrased it.
Exactly.
The problem is that many of these well-constructed arguments are simply not true. People believe them because they read a well-constructed argument, then start spouting ill-informed rage, but no matter how much it is repeated it doesn't suddenly become true.
I know this is a stupid example, but I really think it shows exactly what's wrong with the Diablo Community: people insist that Life Steal is complete garbage because someone made a pretty video and explained that Life On Hit was far superior for hits of around 10k damage. Do you know what I never read on any forum anywhere? "What if you do way more damage per hit than that?" People have been shrieking about the lack of build diversity while I was progressing through Act 2 pre-nerf with a 2h Lifesteal barb.
People on the internet say things that aren't true, and they do it all the time. But a well-argued falsehood is still false.
If you have a well-constructed argument, there is no need to start spouting ill-informed rage because the argument is constructed well? For the most part, I have not seen that rage in all the popular topics I have read since launch. Just well-written and to the point. I am not trying to start a flame war but you stated that it's not true but give no actual reason why. Then the example you provide isn't actually what the popular topics are discussing. I think maybe you should go on the official forums and give them a read.
I agree totally that happens but I have never seen it to this extent for this long of a period time for any Blizzard game I have played for the past 10 years. While there are many posts like the ones you mentioned above, there are just as many posts that I feel express their displeasure in a very organized, well-written fashion with legitimate concerns that should at least be read if not addressed. I see now where you are coming from about getting a thread derailed by complimenting this game and you are absolutely correct. Even if I feel someone wouldn't be able to make that argument to begin with. But to each their own.
No of course not, you should be able to formulate your own opinion and be able to express it. I am just saying not all people are just crying for the sake of crying
Sure, people are now shrieking about repair costs instead of farming the areas that don't kill them. I understand that there are issues with the game, but people seem to lack even the most basic problem-solving skills whatsoever.
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Heeeeeeeeeeeeey.....
I am a "veteran" D2 player.
And I love D3. I also cannot wait for the updated content (PvP) and inevitable tweaks to the game, and of course, the expansion(s).
I honestly think most of the players who are acting like they were hardcore D2 fans didnt even play D2 until LOD and a bagillion patches in. Hence, they think that D2 was 5 Acts and had all of these systems and balancing in place at launch.
People who say "I played D2 for years and years, and I just find D3 boring... so that means D3 is terrible" completely baffle me. Maybe, just maybe, you don't enjoy D3 because the itch D2 scratched has stopped itching. You should certainly expect your money's worth... but expecting hundreds of hours of entertainment from such a basic formula might be over-reaching.
That's not the D2 I remember at all. I remember a D2 that still only ever gave me 1 SoJ in five years, other than the guaranteed drop ones. I had D2 on launch day, as well as LoD, and I was 28 years old when I discovered Diablo I in 1998. So I'm definitely as much or more a veteran as any of those people.
I like D3 a lot. It's very much improved in my eyes, and 1.0.3 fixed many of the worst problems, including a ton of quest exploits are now gone, static 30-sec farming is greatly reduced, and glass cannon cheese builds are pretty much screwed in Inferno. Now Inferno is doable but not faceroll, and the best way to progress is to play the game.
No one can honestly say they 'know' the thoughts of 'the majority'. They can only know the thoughts of themselves and their circle of friends, and that's going to be infinitesimal against the multi-million person D3 playerbase.
Whether you like WoW or not, that statement was pretty naive.
Very true. No matter your personal opinion on it, WoW affected more than just MMOs. Statements like you quoted are just big flags that say 'Ignore what this person says. He's an idiot.' He's just another person hopping on the "It's cool to bash WoW" bandwagon.
I don't even play anymore, so I have no axe to grind for or against WoW, btw.
The funny part is the people who like the game see them as incompetent (I agree personally, their inability to play the game does not make it a bad game), while the people that suck at the game try to use the games focus on gear to imply it doesn't require skill - when the skill changes they want are just changes to make the game cater to their playstyle, as they don't have enough skill to manage the current game.
Bottom line - changing a game to make it cater to what you can do doesn't require skill, and you will be no more skilled for it. You will just be incompetent at a harder game, and have moved on the something more your speed - check Facebook for some examples.
Also, even though WoW has a lot of cheese in it that makes me dislike it, it's crazy to say it was a bad game.
However, I think a lot of people would agree with the idea that it went downhill after WotLK. Some might say everything after vanilla was bad, but really I feel like Wrath is where the game started to get bad. Then again, they really stopped adding anything major to the game at that point, and the storylines that people cared about were done.
I would actually go out on a limb and say that a majority of the people complaining ARE the WoW community.
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