Am I the only one who thinks it's absolutely ridiculous that Blizzard has yet to hotfix or patch the trade window to prevent such a large amount of scamming/counter scamming? It's pretty much pointless to attempt to use the trade chat as 99% of them are either item scamming or gold scamming. There are still probably a few scammers on these forums, because they are definitely on JSP.
I'm also skeptical of RMAH scams that could possibly arise. Anyone who has used Paypal and has ever sold gold (either WoW or D3) knows how easy it is to get scammed and to have payments reverted since they are usually always in favor of the buyer... regardless of how much proof you have that it was a legitimate transaction.
I had just assumed it was common knowledge since all of my friends are now aware of it.
There are a couple of scams out there right now, and some are just absurdly easy to avoid (yet some still fall for it).
Gold Scam: Player A (lets call him the scammer) offers to purchase an item from Player B. Let's say the price is 2,500,000g. Player A puts 2,500,000g in the trade window and Player B puts the item in the trade window. At the last moment before the trade goes through, Player A deletes a 0 from the gold amount (taking it down to 250,000) and hits trade as well. Now Player A, the scammer, just received an item worth 2.5mil for 250k.
Item Scam: This scam is most common with Andariel's Visages, so if you're in the market for one of these you should definitely be aware of what's going on. Player A (lets call him the scammer) offers to sell a certain Andariels Visage (or any other item realistically) with desirable stats... maybe high dexterity and some vitality along with the normal stats. Player B joins the game and begins to put up gold in the trade window to purchase this high dexterity Andariel's Visage. At the last moment before the trade goes through, Player A swaps out the original dexterity Andariel's Visage for a very bad strength Andariel's Visage. Player A would gain a significant amount of gold for a pretty much worthless item.
Drop scam: This is much easier to avoid, but basically involves the scammer canceling trade and trying to time it so that the opposite player "accidentally drops their item", and picking it up.
I've not seen any issue in trade windows, other than a few people not being careful and pressing trade before they should.
I don't think there's an 'exploit' for it out there. Just the usual crap people pull in trade windows on WoW, and some people haven't been smart enough to just escape out of trade as soon as someone tries to change things at the last second.
If anyone you're trading with tries to change anything at the last second, just escape out and refuse to trade with them. Simple.
When trading, carefully click *once*. If they change something after you click once, it will stop and want you to click again. Sometimes this is legitimate, and that's why it stops to let you click Trade again. Curb that impulse to multi-click trade if it doesn't go through immediately. They're counting on you doing that. They'll change something at the very last second, but if you click twice and don't notice, the trade goes through, because you hit trade again. So, it's not an exploit, really, just them taking advantage of you doing something you shouldn't do. If you think someone's fiddling with stuff trying to trick you into finishing the trade, escape out and don't trade.
Haven't seen any scams going on, and we don't allow real money transactions so that shouldn't be an issue.
What kind of scamming is happening in trade windows?
Theres a script that once other person hits "trade" - they run the script and as it presses trade removes the item, thus getting free gold and keeping the item basically and leaving the game before the other person knows whats happened.
Haven't seen any scams going on, and we don't allow real money transactions so that shouldn't be an issue.
What kind of scamming is happening in trade windows?
Theres a script that once other person hits "trade" - they run the script and as it presses trade removes the item, thus getting free gold and keeping the item basically and leaving the game before the other person knows whats happened.
But, if the first person doesn't get clicky, that doesn't work. They can still refuse the trade. If they get clicky, though, it goes through because they clicked trade again.
And that why their the AH, if you wanna do transaction in trade windows, thats you're part of danger.
No scam on AH is posssible for now, and probly in RMAH their will be a system, if their isn't one already !!
Yeah, if I want to trade with strangers, the AH is the best way. People I actually trade with? They're people I trust enough to toss the item on the ground, and if they want to give me gold, they'll open a trade and give it to me.
However, I have experience with trade scam attempts in WoW, and know how to keep myself safe from them.
I know what you are saying, and I never called it an exploit. It's nothing more than a scam.
I've never been caught by it, but I have yet to see anyone really talking about this so I wanted to at least make people aware of what is going on. My fault for being nice... I guess?
My main concern is definitely whether or not people can dispute purchases made on the RMAH through Paypal.
And that why their the AH, if you wanna do transaction in trade windows, thats you're part of danger.
No scam on AH is posssible for now, and probly in RMAH their will be a system, if their isn't one already !!
Yeah, if I want to trade with strangers, the AH is the best way. People I actually trade with? They're people I trust enough to toss the item on the ground, and if they want to give me gold, they'll open a trade and give it to me.
However, I have experience with trade scam attempts in WoW, and know how to keep myself safe from them.
Thx for putting what I said in proper english. I just read back what I wrote, and that is terrible english !!
I know what you are saying, and I never called it an exploit. It's nothing more than a scam.
I've never been caught by it, but I have yet to see anyone really talking about this so I wanted to at least make people aware of what is going on. My fault for being nice... I guess?
My main concern is definitely whether or not people can dispute purchases made on the RMAH through Paypal.
They're will probably be a system for that, I haven't bought on RMAH yet, but their's a blizzard tab. I suppose you don't by directly off paypal accounts, and that you probably have to put money in you're blizzard tab before actually have money to buy stuff on the RMAH.
Therefor, you will get the money and it's mostly on blizzards side to manage people that will deny the transaction on Paypal.
I don't see any issues arising with paypal either. The only way they can dispute the transaction is if they have proof they never recieved anything. While this MAY be possible to do, I'm sure with the payment agreement paypal/blizzard worked out that they've been told to watch for things like this.
Considering you have your detailed window showing your transaction history for the AH you have proof there that the item was bought, and that it was paid for. Granted they can't see who actually bought it, but the item name will match the receipt email you get from blizzard as well.
I know what you are saying, and I never called it an exploit. It's nothing more than a scam.
I've never been caught by it, but I have yet to see anyone really talking about this so I wanted to at least make people aware of what is going on. My fault for being nice... I guess?
My main concern is definitely whether or not people can dispute purchases made on the RMAH through Paypal.
They can do it, yes, but they won't get to keep the item, and they'll never get to use the RMAH again, I would bet. Whether you would get to keep your money, I don't know. Not sure how that would shake out. Not sure if Blizzard would eat the money they passed on to you and just disappear the item and ban the guy from the RMAH, or if they'd take yours back from you.
You can buy with credit cards, so items could be bought with stolen CC's, too. Blizzard can make the items disappear. I bet every transaction of an actual item, the item is tagged somehow. The question is what happens to the money if you sell something and someone buys it with a stolen CC. I'm sure Blizzard has a procedure, but what it is, I don't know.
The thing with paypal and/or stolen credit card purchases: If those are disputed, usually Blizzard doesn't get the money, so, if someone buys an item you put on the RMAH, and Blizzard gives you your cut, and 20 days later, they find out the card was stolen, the credit card company takes the money back, Blizzard loses it. They no longer have the money paid for the item.
The question then becomes, does Blizzard eat that money they gave to you, or do they take it back? They can definitely remove the item from the game, no problem.
I worked for Chase in credit cards for a couple years. The merchants usually have to eat the cost of the stuff bought.
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I'm also skeptical of RMAH scams that could possibly arise. Anyone who has used Paypal and has ever sold gold (either WoW or D3) knows how easy it is to get scammed and to have payments reverted since they are usually always in favor of the buyer... regardless of how much proof you have that it was a legitimate transaction.
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What kind of scamming is happening in trade windows?
There are a couple of scams out there right now, and some are just absurdly easy to avoid (yet some still fall for it).
Gold Scam: Player A (lets call him the scammer) offers to purchase an item from Player B. Let's say the price is 2,500,000g. Player A puts 2,500,000g in the trade window and Player B puts the item in the trade window. At the last moment before the trade goes through, Player A deletes a 0 from the gold amount (taking it down to 250,000) and hits trade as well. Now Player A, the scammer, just received an item worth 2.5mil for 250k.
Item Scam: This scam is most common with Andariel's Visages, so if you're in the market for one of these you should definitely be aware of what's going on. Player A (lets call him the scammer) offers to sell a certain Andariels Visage (or any other item realistically) with desirable stats... maybe high dexterity and some vitality along with the normal stats. Player B joins the game and begins to put up gold in the trade window to purchase this high dexterity Andariel's Visage. At the last moment before the trade goes through, Player A swaps out the original dexterity Andariel's Visage for a very bad strength Andariel's Visage. Player A would gain a significant amount of gold for a pretty much worthless item.
Drop scam: This is much easier to avoid, but basically involves the scammer canceling trade and trying to time it so that the opposite player "accidentally drops their item", and picking it up.
I don't think there's an 'exploit' for it out there. Just the usual crap people pull in trade windows on WoW, and some people haven't been smart enough to just escape out of trade as soon as someone tries to change things at the last second.
If anyone you're trading with tries to change anything at the last second, just escape out and refuse to trade with them. Simple.
When trading, carefully click *once*. If they change something after you click once, it will stop and want you to click again. Sometimes this is legitimate, and that's why it stops to let you click Trade again. Curb that impulse to multi-click trade if it doesn't go through immediately. They're counting on you doing that. They'll change something at the very last second, but if you click twice and don't notice, the trade goes through, because you hit trade again. So, it's not an exploit, really, just them taking advantage of you doing something you shouldn't do. If you think someone's fiddling with stuff trying to trick you into finishing the trade, escape out and don't trade.
Theres a script that once other person hits "trade" - they run the script and as it presses trade removes the item, thus getting free gold and keeping the item basically and leaving the game before the other person knows whats happened.
But, if the first person doesn't get clicky, that doesn't work. They can still refuse the trade. If they get clicky, though, it goes through because they clicked trade again.
No scam on AH is posssible for now, and probly in RMAH their will be a system, if their isn't one already !!
Yeah, if I want to trade with strangers, the AH is the best way. People I actually trade with? They're people I trust enough to toss the item on the ground, and if they want to give me gold, they'll open a trade and give it to me.
However, I have experience with trade scam attempts in WoW, and know how to keep myself safe from them.
I've never been caught by it, but I have yet to see anyone really talking about this so I wanted to at least make people aware of what is going on. My fault for being nice... I guess?
My main concern is definitely whether or not people can dispute purchases made on the RMAH through Paypal.
Thx for putting what I said in proper english. I just read back what I wrote, and that is terrible english !!
They're will probably be a system for that, I haven't bought on RMAH yet, but their's a blizzard tab. I suppose you don't by directly off paypal accounts, and that you probably have to put money in you're blizzard tab before actually have money to buy stuff on the RMAH.
Therefor, you will get the money and it's mostly on blizzards side to manage people that will deny the transaction on Paypal.
Considering you have your detailed window showing your transaction history for the AH you have proof there that the item was bought, and that it was paid for. Granted they can't see who actually bought it, but the item name will match the receipt email you get from blizzard as well.
Mainly there are scripts that make instant quick manipulations of the trade window. With a good timing the scammer can achieve the scam.
They can do it, yes, but they won't get to keep the item, and they'll never get to use the RMAH again, I would bet. Whether you would get to keep your money, I don't know. Not sure how that would shake out. Not sure if Blizzard would eat the money they passed on to you and just disappear the item and ban the guy from the RMAH, or if they'd take yours back from you.
You can buy with credit cards, so items could be bought with stolen CC's, too. Blizzard can make the items disappear. I bet every transaction of an actual item, the item is tagged somehow. The question is what happens to the money if you sell something and someone buys it with a stolen CC. I'm sure Blizzard has a procedure, but what it is, I don't know.
The question then becomes, does Blizzard eat that money they gave to you, or do they take it back? They can definitely remove the item from the game, no problem.
I worked for Chase in credit cards for a couple years. The merchants usually have to eat the cost of the stuff bought.