i would bet a lot of money that you will not be able to go "tank" anything in inferno for more then a few seconds, and if you got a lot of aggro you would insta die no matter what you are or your gear
I'm sorry, what do you know about tanking or how the barbarian tree will effect this concept? Oh wait nothing except speculation and opinions.
well your still trolling but hey ill bite. i know a lot about tanking in d2 and in many other games, and considering we all KNOW that inferno will be even harder then hell in d2, and you could die within a millisecond in some cases in hell, you will definitely without a doubt find yourself insta dying ALOT as a melee class in inferno, especially at first. and this entire forum is 90% speculation and opinion dipshit. obviously. its what a forum is meant for. haha epic fail again kid
considering watching the gameplay videos the monk seems to kill the slowest and have the hardest time killing. i sincerely doubt that, lol. and i thought you can't even spam seven sided strike?
wow the first thing we agree on.
But that makes me kinda wondering why the Monks killspeed is so slow in the gameplay vids. In every vid the Monk is beating endlessly on the Mobs whereas the other Classes simply one or two-hit them. Just compare it in the B-Roll Vid, the Wizard just desintegrates things and they die like 1sec later, and the male Monk beats on a group of Goatman for his whole showtime Oo
I dunno if they did it so that we get a better look at the Monk skill or if the Monk is really that slow.
And considering that I want to start as Monk I really hope that the first part is the case
ya maybe, because the monks skills are "combos" and they want us to witness the whole combo i think they might of purposefully had him fight super hard monsters to see the full combo. my theory anyways (hopeful lol). but i love the whole explosions and zombie thing so thats why I'm picking the WD. considering how horribly underwhelming the melee classes in d2 were compared to the rest, I'm gonna wait till its confirmed that melee isn't super sucky in d3 before i make one lol.
considering watching the gameplay videos the monk seems to kill the slowest and have the hardest time killing. i sincerely doubt that, lol. and i thought you can't even spam seven sided strike?
wow the first thing we agree on.
But that makes me kinda wondering why the Monks killspeed is so slow in the gameplay vids. In every vid the Monk is beating endlessly on the Mobs whereas the other Classes simply one or two-hit them. Just compare it in the B-Roll Vid, the Wizard just desintegrates things and they die like 1sec later, and the male Monk beats on a group of Goatman for his whole showtime Oo
I dunno if they did it so that we get a better look at the Monk skill or if the Monk is really that slow.
And considering that I want to start as Monk I really hope that the first part is the case
ya maybe, because the monks skills are "combos" and they want us to witness the whole combo
See there's your proof that you know nothing of this game already. Only 6 or 7 of the monk's skills are combo skills, the rest are just normal skills.
lol you trolling again? i didn't say ALL of his skills, put the word some before the skills word and thats what i meant. calm down kid your gonna burst a blood vessel, haha.
lol but seriously wtf mate? lets talk about the most powerful class end game...
THE WIZARD!
why you might say? I have no idea or proof to back it up, I just like the wizard. There's nothing better than shootin lasers outta your hands to turn your enemies into ashes!
considering watching the gameplay videos the monk seems to kill the slowest and have the hardest time killing. i sincerely doubt that, lol. and i thought you can't even spam seven sided strike?
wow the first thing we agree on.
But that makes me kinda wondering why the Monks killspeed is so slow in the gameplay vids. In every vid the Monk is beating endlessly on the Mobs whereas the other Classes simply one or two-hit them. Just compare it in the B-Roll Vid, the Wizard just desintegrates things and they die like 1sec later, and the male Monk beats on a group of Goatman for his whole showtime Oo
I dunno if they did it so that we get a better look at the Monk skill or if the Monk is really that slow.
And considering that I want to start as Monk I really hope that the first part is the case
ya maybe, because the monks skills are "combos" and they want us to witness the whole combo
See there's your proof that you know nothing of this game already. Only 6 or 7 of the monk's skills are combo skills, the rest are just normal skills.
lol you trolling again? i didn't say ALL of his skills, put the word some before the skills word and thats what i meant. calm down kid your gonna burst a blood vessel, haha.
Yeah put the word 'some' there is easy to say afterwards. I am as calm as I always am - like the morning dew over a meadow. But I'll admit one mistake from me: feeding you.
well obviously I've done some trolling, I'm sure we both know a lot about the game, but to compare who's more of the troll or not. thats easy. my reputation on this site is 4 points higher then yours, and i joined THREE days ago compared to you joining almost a year ago and i don't have as many posts as you. so if anything that just shows you post a bit more nonsense and my posts are more quality
lol but seriously wtf mate? lets talk about the most powerful class end game...
THE WIZARD!
why you might say? I have no idea or proof to back it up, I just like the wizard. There's nothing better than shootin lasers outta your hands to turn your enemies into ashes!
ya me and killdeer keep going back and forth its pretty fun. but ya the wizard is definitely the coolest class by far. with time stop and the elements he will definitely be a top runner for most powerful like the sorc in d2.
I say the monk....seven sided strike spam + exploding palm. spam seven sided strike to wear em down plus i doubt they'd be able to hurt you much since you move faster than light then right b4 they die pur exploding palm on em so they go boom and do AOE dmg. Monk looks like a total bad ass to me.
WD looks like a wimp. idc if he is awesome at farming he looks like a cracked out hobo. If he isnt that intimadating to me i'm not takin him into the depths of hell to fight diablo.
ok if were talking about the lore and not their actual skills in the game. then id say the "hobo" who can summon hordes of zombies to explode, and fight for him and summon fire and acid is ALOT more badass then a holy rolling bald monk who wields a staff like a pansy and doesn't get laid.
either way i think my strat would work better than your WD theory.....monster AI increases ur pets doesnt
considering watching the gameplay videos the monk seems to kill the slowest and have the hardest time killing. i sincerely doubt that, lol. and i thought you can't even spam seven sided strike?
Mybe he was killing ppl at Inferno while the others were at normal..
why would they lose any players if they didnt patch PVE? that makes absolutely no sense. just as many people will use the RMAH regardless of balancing in PVE, "he kills monsters slightly faster then me QQ" is not an incentive for blizzard to nerf a class or build or for someone to quit D3 unless their... 7 years old? lol. like i said, if it was SUPER OP then yes they most likely will and SHOULD patch it, but one class or build being a bit better then the rest isn't going to make them start nerfing skills like in wow. and i never said jay said it should be imbalanced, but a weird build could turn out to be the most OP in the game, and he's not going to take that away from someone, because someone else complained. and there will be ALOT less complaining because you can only play with 3 people, and your not sitting there paying attention to exactly how fast someone is killing things enough to go start spamming the forums to get it nerf'd, and if you saw that someone was really good, and you asked their build then you would use it also, not QQ. there pushing d3 to be super co op, and work together, not constantly bash on each other and get everyone nerfed till everyone hates the game haha. so again, no reason to patch anything. so doubtful there will be any nerfing, just patching extra content and quests. and very slight deviations to skills
They lost players because of imbalanced classes in WoW... so why wont they in Diablo? You just dismiss this with a "lol why would they"... what a solid argument. Your whole argumentation is based on assumptions that you take as "fakts", people will post their builds, if the build is imbalanced not all players will say "hell I'll use it too"... there will allways be players that start to complain because its imbalanced. And when you say that the weird build "is the most OP" then its clearly not "slightly" better (the word OP =/= slightly)... and if that happens they will nerf it, believe it or not. They will take away your super unique weirdo build. And you assume that playing with 3 people leads to "ALOT less" complaining why would that be? Do you belive people wont post their builds on forums? Or that other players wont come to create the same weird build? Thats just illusorily. And Diablo being a co-op game doesnt change shit, WoW is a MMO... you have to play with many players to achiev the best gear (4-24 other player...) and people still complain about other classes/speccs being imba. They maybe use the same build, but they will still complain because the game lacks diffrent viable builds.
Edit: And saying that people that complain (complain =/= "QQ") and ultimately draw the consequences are 7 years old (i.e. kids) shows that you are not capable of making solid arguments... thats just rude. Adding lol to that statement doesnt make it any better btw.
Edit2: And you should also assume that the other players are looking very close who kills things faster, people like to complain if the thing they play isnt the best thing (thats human nature for you).
Edit3: You should also note that calling people trolls because they dont agree with your point of view on the WD is not a nice way to argument with anyone. I dont know if my english is lacking and I dont understand your points but you always sound like you are latently calling people stupid because they dont agree with you...
im not for or against this post im just saying i see what hes talking about. First off you will only be playing with 3 other people at a time and may never see them again. The main reason people complain about OP'ness is dmg meters, and Stealing kills or doing things quicker. For one in diablo 3 you can have a whole run through the game to yourself noone else can intercede or come in its just like an instanced dungeon. So in general NOONE can step on your toes wich is how most people complain about someone being OP. Less chance of you running into the same guy again and again unless you make friends with him/her. And then why would you care? Cause your friend is OP and there your friend. In general i dont see people complaining about OPness unless its in PVP and PVP doesnt matter there's no actual ladder for it so why bother complaining over something that doesnt matter. Be like me complaining about walking and because the guy next to me is 2 inches taller his stride is longer and he will get home 3 seconds before me ....it doesnt matter.
I say the monk....seven sided strike spam + exploding palm. spam seven sided strike to wear em down plus i doubt they'd be able to hurt you much since you move faster than light then right b4 they die pur exploding palm on em so they go boom and do AOE dmg. Monk looks like a total bad ass to me.
WD looks like a wimp. idc if he is awesome at farming he looks like a cracked out hobo. If he isnt that intimadating to me i'm not takin him into the depths of hell to fight diablo.
ok if were talking about the lore and not their actual skills in the game. then id say the "hobo" who can summon hordes of zombies to explode, and fight for him and summon fire and acid is ALOT more badass then a holy rolling bald monk who wields a staff like a pansy and doesn't get laid.
either way i think my strat would work better than your WD theory.....monster AI increases ur pets doesnt
considering watching the gameplay videos the monk seems to kill the slowest and have the hardest time killing. i sincerely doubt that, lol. and i thought you can't even spam seven sided strike?
Mybe he was killing ppl at Inferno while the others were at normal..
Or maybe the Monk was underlevel at the moment, or he was under equipped, he might have been UP at the moment and Blizz might be aware of it and is planning on buffing him. Or it could be that the Barbarian and Wizard had better equipment then average at that point in time, or were overleveled, or that they were OP at the moment and Blizzrard might be aware of it and is planning on nerfing them.
Really, who knows why the Monk was having a hard time killings things compared to the Barbarian and Wizard(and maybe the Witch Doctor.). I know in all of the Interciews I only remember one in which they said they felt that this or that class was under/over-powered. And in that interview they said that the Monk was the most powerful. So... .
Witch Doctor, for the same reasons the Necromancer could solo hell without any gear. Summons provide an unending source of meatshields and damage. Also, the Summoners's manipulative skills scale with how powerful the monsters are (Corpse Explosion / Horrify). It's really no contest. Every other class will have to worry about running around and avoiding taking damage (Demon Hunter the most).
Witch Doctor, for the same reasons the Necromancer could solo hell without any gear. Summons provide an unending source of meatshields and damage. Also, the Summoners's manipulative skills scale with how powerful the monsters are (Corpse Explosion / Horrify). It's really no contest. Every other class will have to worry about running around and avoiding taking damage (Demon Hunter the most).
Until you meet and boss and it two shots the minions... then what? The nerco could kill any trash easy but killing a boss took way to long.
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Witch Doctor, for the same reasons the Necromancer could solo hell without any gear. Summons provide an unending source of meatshields and damage. Also, the Summoners's manipulative skills scale with how powerful the monsters are (Corpse Explosion / Horrify). It's really no contest. Every other class will have to worry about running around and avoiding taking damage (Demon Hunter the most).
Until you meet and boss and it two shots the minions... then what? The nerco could kill any trash easy but killing a boss took way to long.
Necromancers could solo any boss using Decrepify. It essentially made them only do one action every few seconds (AND reduced their damage). Though, I doubt such a powerful spell will be available in the WD's arsenal.
Hopefully we can just rely on the idea that Blizzard wants us to randomly kill stuff and not do boss runs over and over in Inferno.
Necromancers could solo any boss using Decrepify. It essentially made them only do one action every few seconds (AND reduced their damage). Though, I doubt such a powerful spell will be available in the WD's arsenal.
Hopefully we can just rely on the idea that Blizzard wants us to randomly kill stuff and not do boss runs over and over in Inferno.
True but compared to any other class killing bosses took much longer unless you weren't a summon nerco in which you would be in the same playing field of any class. Killing bosses won't be a much as a focus but to me "the best class" can clear all content of inferno including bosses.
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well your still trolling but hey ill bite. i know a lot about tanking in d2 and in many other games, and considering we all KNOW that inferno will be even harder then hell in d2, and you could die within a millisecond in some cases in hell, you will definitely without a doubt find yourself insta dying ALOT as a melee class in inferno, especially at first. and this entire forum is 90% speculation and opinion dipshit. obviously. its what a forum is meant for. haha epic fail again kid
#1 u mad
#2 The only thing that even remotely came close to tanking in D2 was hammerdin's during hammer chaos-x runs which you are bad so probably never were there. There was no mechanic for tanking so anyone could meatshield. Stop attempting to profess yourself like some expert when you don't know a damn thing about any of blizzard's games. Your a rando and will always be.
well your still trolling but hey ill bite. i know a lot about tanking in d2 and in many other games, and considering we all KNOW that inferno will be even harder then hell in d2, and you could die within a millisecond in some cases in hell, you will definitely without a doubt find yourself insta dying ALOT as a melee class in inferno, especially at first. and this entire forum is 90% speculation and opinion dipshit. obviously. its what a forum is meant for. haha epic fail again kid
#1 u mad
#2 The only thing that even remotely came close to tanking in D2 was hammerdin's during hammer chaos-x runs which you are bad so probably never were there. There was no mechanic for tanking so anyone could meatshield. Stop attempting to profess yourself like some expert when you don't know a damn thing about any of blizzard's games. Your a rando and will always be.
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lol i think its hilarious how mad your posts are and you call me mad. and considering you've had multiple epic fails your the "bad" one here kid. its just funny reading your QQ posts over and over
Fail thread is fail. The trolling is totally killing this discussion.
Back on topic... We won't have any idea of what the most powerful class/build or whatever is until a few months after the full release IMO since we'll need time to gather gear and play with builds etc but I'm looking forward to having this discussion when that time comes. Hell maybe we could even add each other and PvP it up to test the most powerful character or post montages on here with our character 3 shotting Diablo on inferno or something... should be fun
I don't think anyone pegged the Paladin as a powerhouse for his blessed hammer before release. There's absolutely no way to guess which skills will be arbitrarily broken and define the meta, aside from the fact that ranged AoE usually wins, but that could come from any class.
I don't think anyone pegged the Paladin as a powerhouse for his blessed hammer before release. There's absolutely no way to guess which skills will be arbitrarily broken and define the meta.
I hope this go around they'll at least nerf the piss out of anything that remotely resembles the imbalanced crap that hammerdins became.
Still too early for me to speculate what the new hotness will be, but i'll be playing a WD regardless.
well your still trolling but hey ill bite. i know a lot about tanking in d2 and in many other games, and considering we all KNOW that inferno will be even harder then hell in d2, and you could die within a millisecond in some cases in hell, you will definitely without a doubt find yourself insta dying ALOT as a melee class in inferno, especially at first. and this entire forum is 90% speculation and opinion dipshit. obviously. its what a forum is meant for. haha epic fail again kid
ya maybe, because the monks skills are "combos" and they want us to witness the whole combo i think they might of purposefully had him fight super hard monsters to see the full combo. my theory anyways (hopeful lol). but i love the whole explosions and zombie thing so thats why I'm picking the WD. considering how horribly underwhelming the melee classes in d2 were compared to the rest, I'm gonna wait till its confirmed that melee isn't super sucky in d3 before i make one lol.
lol you trolling again? i didn't say ALL of his skills, put the word some before the skills word and thats what i meant. calm down kid your gonna burst a blood vessel, haha.
Deablow thri sux gaiz, Herp derp
lol but seriously wtf mate? lets talk about the most powerful class end game...
THE WIZARD!
why you might say? I have no idea or proof to back it up, I just like the wizard. There's nothing better than shootin lasers outta your hands to turn your enemies into ashes!
well obviously I've done some trolling, I'm sure we both know a lot about the game, but to compare who's more of the troll or not. thats easy. my reputation on this site is 4 points higher then yours, and i joined THREE days ago compared to you joining almost a year ago and i don't have as many posts as you. so if anything that just shows you post a bit more nonsense and my posts are more quality
ya me and killdeer keep going back and forth its pretty fun. but ya the wizard is definitely the coolest class by far. with time stop and the elements he will definitely be a top runner for most powerful like the sorc in d2.
Mybe he was killing ppl at Inferno while the others were at normal..
im not for or against this post im just saying i see what hes talking about. First off you will only be playing with 3 other people at a time and may never see them again. The main reason people complain about OP'ness is dmg meters, and Stealing kills or doing things quicker. For one in diablo 3 you can have a whole run through the game to yourself noone else can intercede or come in its just like an instanced dungeon. So in general NOONE can step on your toes wich is how most people complain about someone being OP. Less chance of you running into the same guy again and again unless you make friends with him/her. And then why would you care? Cause your friend is OP and there your friend. In general i dont see people complaining about OPness unless its in PVP and PVP doesnt matter there's no actual ladder for it so why bother complaining over something that doesnt matter. Be like me complaining about walking and because the guy next to me is 2 inches taller his stride is longer and he will get home 3 seconds before me ....it doesnt matter.
Or maybe the Monk was underlevel at the moment, or he was under equipped, he might have been UP at the moment and Blizz might be aware of it and is planning on buffing him. Or it could be that the Barbarian and Wizard had better equipment then average at that point in time, or were overleveled, or that they were OP at the moment and Blizzrard might be aware of it and is planning on nerfing them.
Really, who knows why the Monk was having a hard time killings things compared to the Barbarian and Wizard(and maybe the Witch Doctor.). I know in all of the Interciews I only remember one in which they said they felt that this or that class was under/over-powered. And in that interview they said that the Monk was the most powerful. So... .
Until you meet and boss and it two shots the minions... then what? The nerco could kill any trash easy but killing a boss took way to long.
Necromancers could solo any boss using Decrepify. It essentially made them only do one action every few seconds (AND reduced their damage). Though, I doubt such a powerful spell will be available in the WD's arsenal.
Hopefully we can just rely on the idea that Blizzard wants us to randomly kill stuff and not do boss runs over and over in Inferno.
True but compared to any other class killing bosses took much longer unless you weren't a summon nerco in which you would be in the same playing field of any class. Killing bosses won't be a much as a focus but to me "the best class" can clear all content of inferno including bosses.
#1 u mad
#2 The only thing that even remotely came close to tanking in D2 was hammerdin's during hammer chaos-x runs which you are bad so probably never were there. There was no mechanic for tanking so anyone could meatshield. Stop attempting to profess yourself like some expert when you don't know a damn thing about any of blizzard's games. Your a rando and will always be.
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lol i think its hilarious how mad your posts are and you call me mad. and considering you've had multiple epic fails your the "bad" one here kid. its just funny reading your QQ posts over and over
Back on topic... We won't have any idea of what the most powerful class/build or whatever is until a few months after the full release IMO since we'll need time to gather gear and play with builds etc but I'm looking forward to having this discussion when that time comes. Hell maybe we could even add each other and PvP it up to test the most powerful character or post montages on here with our character 3 shotting Diablo on inferno or something... should be fun
I hope this go around they'll at least nerf the piss out of anything that remotely resembles the imbalanced crap that hammerdins became.
Still too early for me to speculate what the new hotness will be, but i'll be playing a WD regardless.
you may very well be right o.o
Hopefuly its monk, because thats the character I intend to play first, and I intend to be item finding S O B
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