Truth is though, they constantly update their site with pictures and info. I've been dragging that stuff over here for this community. I enjoy this community more, but wish the site had the frequent updates that IncGamers does.
I started frequenting Incgamers and at first I enjoyed the information, but I soon realized that the site admin, Flux, and a lot (not all) of the people there are very, very jaded about Diablo 3 and the new changes, and they constantly bash Blizzard and Activision. It's not only really distracting from the actual news that's important, but it's also in extremely bad taste. Almost every article I read now pisses me off in one way or another, so I stopped going altogether.
Also, the people here are (generally) a lot more accepting and conversational. The staff here are really friendly and I can actually rely on everything that's stated in the news section to be almost 100% accurate. Not to mention the Curse servers are a helluva lot more stable.
But is there something wrong with a gaming fansite to openly express negative opinions about the game? I mean this site is great, the people and staff are great and there's always updates and content, but they go too far in praising everything Blizzard does. I'm much too lazy to wade through news posts, but they seemingly stick in adjectives like "But Blizzard magnificently squashes the problems of the real-money AH by..." and stuff like that. They report the news and talk about all the negative feedback of the RMAH and other D3 news automatically on the defensive side.
Obviously, its a fansite dedicated to D3. But you're not showing the game the proper respect unless you critically evaluate all its aspects, especially the biggest and most earth-shattering of them. That's what turns me off sometimes reading the news on this site, it seems like blind subscription to whatever Blizzard does. I'd wager if they announced a subscription fee, no matter what the number, they'd be like "Well a subscription fee ensures the game will be maintained forever! And what's X amount of dollars a month? That's like not drinking coffee 3 times!"
There's a big difference between criticism and outright making fun of Activision-Blizzard CEO Bobby Kotick every possible chance you get.
Maybe I'm really biased because I'm a super Diablo fan, but I have liked pretty much every change Blizzard has made thus far. The game is going to kick ass. The criticisms people have with this game remind me of the criticisms people had about Starcraft 2 in the TeamLiquid community back in beta, and all of those were completely unfounded. It's a new era of gaming and it's time to grow up about. But again, maybe I'm just too positive.
But is there something wrong with a gaming fansite to openly express negative opinions about the game? I mean this site is great, the people and staff are great and there's always updates and content, but they go too far in praising everything Blizzard does. I'm much too lazy to wade through news posts, but they seemingly stick in adjectives like "But Blizzard magnificently squashes the problems of the real-money AH by..." and stuff like that. They report the news and talk about all the negative feedback of the RMAH and other D3 news automatically on the defensive side.
Obviously, its a fansite dedicated to D3. But you're not showing the game the proper respect unless you critically evaluate all its aspects, especially the biggest and most earth-shattering of them. That's what turns me off sometimes reading the news on this site, it seems like blind subscription to whatever Blizzard does. I'd wager if they announced a subscription fee, no matter what the number, they'd be like "Well a subscription fee ensures the game will be maintained forever! And what's X amount of dollars a month? That's like not drinking coffee 3 times!"
this.
i feel like some gaming sites and forums are too much of fanboys or have too many big gaming company sponsors to give objective analysis, or even allow for negative discussion without getting drowned out in hate for being critical.
i like this forum
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I started frequenting Incgamers and at first I enjoyed the information, but I soon realized that the site admin, Flux, and a lot (not all) of the people there are very, very jaded about Diablo 3 and the new changes, and they constantly bash Blizzard and Activision. It's not only really distracting from the actual news that's important, but it's also in extremely bad taste. Almost every article I read now pisses me off in one way or another, so I stopped going altogether.
Also, the people here are (generally) a lot more accepting and conversational. The staff here are really friendly and I can actually rely on everything that's stated in the news section to be almost 100% accurate. Not to mention the Curse servers are a helluva lot more stable.
So, wait.
One place is actually stating the truth and that annoys you?
While DiabloFans seems to lie in Blizzard's shadow, trying to please them in any way they can and defending them at every turn.
You find some negativity ridiculous, but I find the sheer amount of positivity here even worse. I'd rather not every place be ran by fanboys like this one.
I started frequenting Incgamers and at first I enjoyed the information, but I soon realized that the site admin, Flux, and a lot (not all) of the people there are very, very jaded about Diablo 3 and the new changes, and they constantly bash Blizzard and Activision. It's not only really distracting from the actual news that's important, but it's also in extremely bad taste. Almost every article I read now pisses me off in one way or another, so I stopped going altogether.
Also, the people here are (generally) a lot more accepting and conversational. The staff here are really friendly and I can actually rely on everything that's stated in the news section to be almost 100% accurate. Not to mention the Curse servers are a helluva lot more stable.
So, wait.
One place is actually stating the truth and that annoys you?
While DiabloFans seems to lie in Blizzard's shadow, trying to please them in any way they can and defending them at every turn.
You find some negativity ridiculous, but I find the sheer amount of positivity here even worse. I'd rather not every place be ran by fanboys like this one.
I wouldn't consider it truth. I'd consider it blatant negativity and bad taste. There's a big difference.
TRUTH in terms of news content is stating the facts without any opinion.
But is there something wrong with a gaming fansite to openly express negative opinions about the game? I mean this site is great, the people and staff are great and there's always updates and content, but they go too far in praising everything Blizzard does. I'm much too lazy to wade through news posts, but they seemingly stick in adjectives like "But Blizzard magnificently squashes the problems of the real-money AH by..." and stuff like that. They report the news and talk about all the negative feedback of the RMAH and other D3 news automatically on the defensive side.
Obviously, its a fansite dedicated to D3. But you're not showing the game the proper respect unless you critically evaluate all its aspects, especially the biggest and most earth-shattering of them. That's what turns me off sometimes reading the news on this site, it seems like blind subscription to whatever Blizzard does. I'd wager if they announced a subscription fee, no matter what the number, they'd be like "Well a subscription fee ensures the game will be maintained forever! And what's X amount of dollars a month? That's like not drinking coffee 3 times!"
There must be a reason why Blizzard does the things they do, and maybe the staff here understands those reasons.
This episode isn’t exactly a debate, but both guests are given ample opportunity to make their cases on a wide variety of Auction House and economic issues. Topics covered include:
RMT in the game is just wrong. People should use items they find themselves, or obtain with in-game goods. Not external resources.
Should there be non-RMT servers? Other than Hardcore mode.
Can the current state of D2 trading/economy be compared to D3, given all the duping and bots in D2?
Will Diablo 3 maintain a functional gold-based economy?
Is the always-online DRM requirement, and the lack of no-RMT servers, designed to force all players into the same RMT economy?
Will high end items only be sold for $, thus forcing any player who wants to buy, sell, or trade them to use RMT?
What will happen with the high level Hardcore economy? RMT via 3rd party sites; exactly the scenario Blizzard says they introduced the RMAH to prevent in D3?
What happens shortly before a patch or expansion, when everyone knows a whole new tier of top end items will come in and upset the market values?
What will Blizzard do if the RMAH doesn’t take off and they don’t meet their revenue projections?
I took this from their site to prove my point. Being critical is all well and fine. But when you say the "topics" discussed in a debate video you should just name the topics, not put a negative spin on everything.
Ex:RMT in the game is just wrong. People should use items they find themselves, or obtain with in-game goods. Not external resources.
How is that considered a discussion topic? Seems they already came to a judgement.
Ex:Is the always-online DRM requirement, and the lack of no-RMT servers, designed to force all players into the same RMT economy?
So, people bitch about botting and hacking so blizzard fixes it. Then, they bitch about them fixing it. Kinda stupid to me.
RMT in the game is just wrong. People should use items they find themselves, or obtain with in-game goods. Not external resources.
Should there be non-RMT servers? Other than Hardcore mode.
Can the current state of D2 trading/economy be compared to D3, given all the duping and bots in D2?
Will Diablo 3 maintain a functional gold-based economy?
Is the always-online DRM requirement, and the lack of no-RMT servers, designed to force all players into the same RMT economy?
Will high end items only be sold for $, thus forcing any player who wants to buy, sell, or trade them to use RMT?
What will happen with the high level Hardcore economy? RMT via 3rd party sites; exactly the scenario Blizzard says they introduced the RMAH to prevent in D3?
What happens shortly before a patch or expansion, when everyone knows a whole new tier of top end items will come in and upset the market values?
What will Blizzard do if the RMAH doesn’t take off and they don’t meet their revenue projections?
What I notice is that they criticize RMT, then complain that no RMT in Hardcore will allow for 3rd Party sites.
Seems they want to play up which ever side suits them.
Forums are a great place for discussion, and readers tend to cling to their like-minded camps whether it's Dfans or other places. No problem with that. News on the other hand should try to be as unbias and relevant as possible - not a vector for opportunistic criticism.
Anyone ever feel like Incgamers is the Fox News of the diablo world? Its like they make everything out to be negative lol.
Yes. I actually started out mostly posting on that site and left it because of all the whining and bickering over "this" and "that" and all the numerous threads complaining about the game. I want to hang out on a forum with people excited for the game, not a forum where everyone acts like yahtzee from zero punctuation and complains about everything possible in a game.
I never got into incgamers, I visited the wiki a few times, but the forums just felt wrong to me. Kind of closed minded at times. Here I feel that there is solid debate and only occasional outbursts.
As far as objectivity goes, It is incredibly difficult to be purely objective and the news folks on fan sites are not professionals, but on this site they do try (a great example of this was a recent podcast where the three guys were on the same side and explained that because they are all in agreement it was hard for them to support/talk about what others had a problem with. They talked about there opinions and then addressed the fact that there is another side that could have merit but did not know how to do it justice themselves.)
With respect to being called a 'fanboi' I have been called a fan-boy, although I believe I am just a fan. The reason for this is that I am generally a positive person, and look at things positively until I have empirical evidence to actually make a decision. Having not been able to play the game I generally try to find the positive points about any controversy (occasionally I don't but then I reserve final judgment until I can get more solid information.) I feel that Blizz is a company that has earned enough respect that they deserve this much at least. Does this mean I reject arguments that are against any given decision? No, but I will try to come up with counter arguments. If I can't do that, then there is a problem in my mind with the decision that was made (I actually feel this way about the 'new' rune system that Jay Wilson mentioned they wanted to try. I hope they think it feels horrible and ditch the idea.) Anyway that is my thoughts on Fan-boy vs. Hater, I think that a positive outlook has been earned by this developer so I won't hate until the game is out and people have really experienced it (and there is reason to rage.)
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If that made sense to you, Bravo! I think I even confused myself...
Have you guys listened to their podcast (can't remember what no. but its the one early august) and claiming, well self proclaiming it's the no. 1 diablo podcast. I listened then first few mins was hate that he didn't get invited to blizz hq and him being the no. 1, blah blah blah. Then I told myself he must be just frustrated so I listened further. The host knows a lot about the game but the other 2 keeps pausing and doesn't seem to know what to say. In short I didn't enjoy it and stopped midway because in very uninteresting when only 1 out of 3 knows what to say. No.1 podcast eh, what a joke.
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I love all loot fest kind of game! I will be playing all of them for the next few years. Loot fest games I'm looking forward to: LotR: War in the North,Torchlight 2,Borderlands 2 and of course Diablo 3.
Anyone ever feel like Incgamers is the Fox News of the diablo world? Its like they make everything out to be negative lol.
Yes. I actually started out mostly posting on that site and left it because of all the whining and bickering over "this" and "that" and all the numerous threads complaining about the game. I want to hang out on a forum with people excited for the game, not a forum where everyone acts like yahtzee from zero punctuation and complains about everything possible in a game.
The interesting part of this is you display in this post just as much narrow mindedness as those you deface. Opinions vary, while granted there are a fair amount of people who lack perspective (it is just a game after all), trying to squash out diversity is a quick way to ruin reputations. I don't care about RMAH, some people do. Who am I, or you, to say that their opinion on the subject is wrong so long as they present their opinions well. The point of discussion is to understand various views, not impose your own. Objectivity and being open to accommodate others is key, Sixen is just as in question as Flux in my opinion. Neither of them present information in an unbiased fashion.
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Truth is though, they constantly update their site with pictures and info. I've been dragging that stuff over here for this community. I enjoy this community more, but wish the site had the frequent updates that IncGamers does.
Also, the people here are (generally) a lot more accepting and conversational. The staff here are really friendly and I can actually rely on everything that's stated in the news section to be almost 100% accurate. Not to mention the Curse servers are a helluva lot more stable.
Obviously, its a fansite dedicated to D3. But you're not showing the game the proper respect unless you critically evaluate all its aspects, especially the biggest and most earth-shattering of them. That's what turns me off sometimes reading the news on this site, it seems like blind subscription to whatever Blizzard does. I'd wager if they announced a subscription fee, no matter what the number, they'd be like "Well a subscription fee ensures the game will be maintained forever! And what's X amount of dollars a month? That's like not drinking coffee 3 times!"
Maybe I'm really biased because I'm a super Diablo fan, but I have liked pretty much every change Blizzard has made thus far. The game is going to kick ass. The criticisms people have with this game remind me of the criticisms people had about Starcraft 2 in the TeamLiquid community back in beta, and all of those were completely unfounded. It's a new era of gaming and it's time to grow up about. But again, maybe I'm just too positive.
i feel like some gaming sites and forums are too much of fanboys or have too many big gaming company sponsors to give objective analysis, or even allow for negative discussion without getting drowned out in hate for being critical.
i like this forum
"to the worm in horseradish, the world is horseradish."
One place is actually stating the truth and that annoys you?
While DiabloFans seems to lie in Blizzard's shadow, trying to please them in any way they can and defending them at every turn.
You find some negativity ridiculous, but I find the sheer amount of positivity here even worse. I'd rather not every place be ran by fanboys like this one.
TRUTH in terms of news content is stating the facts without any opinion.
There must be a reason why Blizzard does the things they do, and maybe the staff here understands those reasons.
RMT in the game is just wrong. People should use items they find themselves, or obtain with in-game goods. Not external resources.
Should there be non-RMT servers? Other than Hardcore mode.
Can the current state of D2 trading/economy be compared to D3, given all the duping and bots in D2?
Will Diablo 3 maintain a functional gold-based economy?
Is the always-online DRM requirement, and the lack of no-RMT servers, designed to force all players into the same RMT economy?
Will high end items only be sold for $, thus forcing any player who wants to buy, sell, or trade them to use RMT?
What will happen with the high level Hardcore economy? RMT via 3rd party sites; exactly the scenario Blizzard says they introduced the RMAH to prevent in D3?
What happens shortly before a patch or expansion, when everyone knows a whole new tier of top end items will come in and upset the market values?
What will Blizzard do if the RMAH doesn’t take off and they don’t meet their revenue projections?
I took this from their site to prove my point. Being critical is all well and fine. But when you say the "topics" discussed in a debate video you should just name the topics, not put a negative spin on everything.
Ex:RMT in the game is just wrong. People should use items they find themselves, or obtain with in-game goods. Not external resources.
How is that considered a discussion topic? Seems they already came to a judgement.
Ex:Is the always-online DRM requirement, and the lack of no-RMT servers, designed to force all players into the same RMT economy?
So, people bitch about botting and hacking so blizzard fixes it. Then, they bitch about them fixing it. Kinda stupid to me.
Seems they want to play up which ever side suits them.
I will admit they aren't as bad as Murdoch's propaganda machine. Just a similar wavelength.
Yes. I actually started out mostly posting on that site and left it because of all the whining and bickering over "this" and "that" and all the numerous threads complaining about the game. I want to hang out on a forum with people excited for the game, not a forum where everyone acts like yahtzee from zero punctuation and complains about everything possible in a game.
As far as objectivity goes, It is incredibly difficult to be purely objective and the news folks on fan sites are not professionals, but on this site they do try (a great example of this was a recent podcast where the three guys were on the same side and explained that because they are all in agreement it was hard for them to support/talk about what others had a problem with. They talked about there opinions and then addressed the fact that there is another side that could have merit but did not know how to do it justice themselves.)
With respect to being called a 'fanboi' I have been called a fan-boy, although I believe I am just a fan. The reason for this is that I am generally a positive person, and look at things positively until I have empirical evidence to actually make a decision. Having not been able to play the game I generally try to find the positive points about any controversy (occasionally I don't but then I reserve final judgment until I can get more solid information.) I feel that Blizz is a company that has earned enough respect that they deserve this much at least. Does this mean I reject arguments that are against any given decision? No, but I will try to come up with counter arguments. If I can't do that, then there is a problem in my mind with the decision that was made (I actually feel this way about the 'new' rune system that Jay Wilson mentioned they wanted to try. I hope they think it feels horrible and ditch the idea.) Anyway that is my thoughts on Fan-boy vs. Hater, I think that a positive outlook has been earned by this developer so I won't hate until the game is out and people have really experienced it (and there is reason to rage.)
The interesting part of this is you display in this post just as much narrow mindedness as those you deface. Opinions vary, while granted there are a fair amount of people who lack perspective (it is just a game after all), trying to squash out diversity is a quick way to ruin reputations. I don't care about RMAH, some people do. Who am I, or you, to say that their opinion on the subject is wrong so long as they present their opinions well. The point of discussion is to understand various views, not impose your own. Objectivity and being open to accommodate others is key, Sixen is just as in question as Flux in my opinion. Neither of them present information in an unbiased fashion.