So I know in D2, if you actually used multiple skills. You had to assign 1 skill to your left mouse button and 1 to your right mouse button. And you could use hotkeys to quickly switch what skill was used by the left or right mouse button. Then when you went to cast you just clicked the corresponding button, unless it was left mouse then you had to press to keep your char in place or click on the actual monster. (sorry to explain this stuff If you already knew it)
So my question is: how are they going to do this in D3?
Take the wizard for example. I have 7 skill slots and only 2 mouse buttons (at least thats the minimum that you must plan for) I can assign a skill a piece to my left and right mouse but then what do I do with skill 3-7 when I want to cast them? Do I press '3' and it gets immediatly cast? Do I press '3' and then click with a mouse button (in this case youd have to keep pressing 3 and the mouse button to spam itd be like: tap-tap tap-tap tap-tap)? Or is it more like the old system where pressing 1-7 moves that skill to one of the two mouse buttons?
It seems like every option other than the old system isn't too ergonomically friendly so I currently have my fingers crossed that a response says: "The last option"
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Afaik it´s lke this : 1 through 4 (spell cast at cursor location when pressed) and both mouse buttons (with tab/mouse wheel to change the skill mapped to either one)
edit: so 7 skills (1-4 on keys and 5-7 on your mouse buttons)
Yup, exactly, though I think it's only right-click that you tab/mousewheel to change.
Afaik it´s lke this : 1 through 4 (spell cast at cursor location when pressed) and both mouse buttons (with tab/mouse wheel to change the skill mapped to either one)
edit: so 7 skills (1-4 on keys and 5-7 on your mouse buttons)
Yup, exactly, though I think it's only right-click that you tab/mousewheel to change.
So you right click to cast a skill; and mouse wheel or hit keys 1-7 to select a skill?
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left click is skill, right click is skill and can hit tab or scroll wheel to switch that one. then 1-4 is skills. 5 USED to be a emergency potion but now it's unclear what it'll be.
No, what SOnatin said is that when you press a number key (default keys), the assigned spell will be cast where the cursor happens to be point. A bit counter-intuitive, to be honest. When you point to something with the mouse cursor, the natural and intuitive thing to do is click. Pointing and pressing a key doesn't seem like a great system. We'll see...
yeh, thats what i was afraid of unless you have a 7 button mouse. As i understand it though there are three ways to use a skill (which is nice) the 1-4 key (which I guess means you can only choose 4 skills doing this), the left click (which I assume cant be changed in battle, you pick 1 skill to go there), and the right click (where you can tab or scroll through all 7 skills)
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A bit counter-intuitive, to be honest. When you point to something with the mouse cursor, the natural and intuitive thing to do is click. Pointing and pressing a key doesn't seem like a great system. We'll see...
it's not intuitive per se but doesn't take much to get used to. Nox used it and in League of Legends a few champions (Urgot, for instance), activate skills that way. I think it has to do with Diablo's control system, since left click is movement in Diablo, while it's right click in most other isometric games.
The cursor-key system is generally much faster than the cursor-key-click system, anyway. Even with the cursor-key-click system all that ends up happening is that you press the key and wait to click, but it's not great when you have to react in a split second. Point-key is my preferred system, personally.
What's counter intuitive is the presence of the right click in the middle of that.
A bit counter-intuitive, to be honest. When you point to something with the mouse cursor, the natural and intuitive thing to do is click. Pointing and pressing a key doesn't seem like a great system. We'll see...
it's not intuitive per se but doesn't take much to get used to. Nox used it and in League of Legends a few champions (Urgot, for instance), activate skills that way. I think it has to do with Diablo's control system, since left click is movement in Diablo, while it's right click in most other isometric games.
The cursor-key system is generally much faster than the cursor-key-click system, anyway. Even with the cursor-key-click system all that ends up happening is that you press the key and wait to click, but it's not great when you have to react in a split second. Point-key is my preferred system, personally.
What's counter intuitive is the presence of the right click in the middle of that.
Ok I think i got it one more question though, is just a normal attack being counted as 1 of the 7 skills? Rather if the left mouse is assigned to an actual skill can you not do a normal attack (and if normal attak is not assigned somewhere else)?
Even though cursor-key is faster, I think Maka means its not as natural. In general when doing a task using a mouse, your first thought is to point to it and automatically the next thought is to select it somehow, not to reach for the keyboard. Actually now that I think of it, in this case cursor-key is slower than cursor-key-click because with cursor-key should actually be cursor-reach-key (you have to reach/point to the keyboard). In other words it takes longer to select a skill through keys 1-4 than it does to access a skill via the right mouse button because of the movement involved in pointing to numbers 1-4; whereas on the mouse your finger is generally already in place.
Hmmm now you have me staring at my mouse.....
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Ok I think i got it one more question though, is just a normal attack being counted as 1 of the 7 skills?
Not sure tbh. Only on-click attacks would be able to go there IMO and not all skills fit that template.
I'd try to put all my skills on keys but that may not be possible. :/
your first thought is to point to it and automatically the next thought is to select it somehow, not to reach for the keyboard.
I don't agree. For me, going towards keyboard is very natural, but I played a lot of games where everything was hotkeyed. I think it's a matter of experience/preference.
In other words it takes longer to select a skill through keys 1-4 than it does to access a skill via the right mouse button because of the movement involved in pointing to numbers 1-4; whereas on the mouse your finger is generally already in place.
Um, your finger is generally in place on the keys.
The DotA setup is QWER for the 4 skills. In Nox, they used the ASDFG setup for 5 scrolling keys, it worked fine.
It's really not about the mouse at all and I prefer to avoid using the mouse with keys.
Um, your finger is generally in place on the keys.
Exactly. I think it's safe to assume that you're just going to be resting your left-hand fingers on the keyboards so your ring=1, middle=2, index=3&4, and pinky operates the tab key (assuming you use that over the scroll wheel). Try it...it feels very natural and comfortable.
As far as the gameplay, I think people are overestimating the complexity of pointing with the cursor and pushing a key on your keyboard. It might take like 15 minutes of gameplay to get it down unless you're just amazingly uncoordinated. I think the only instance you might get crossed up is using both your right-click skills in rapid succession while tabbing to switch between them. Therefore, I think we'll probably be seeing a lot of the second right-click skill being buffs/CC that aren't going to be used nearly as frequently as offensive skills.
I hope we can put all 7 skills on keys (except onclicks I guess, maybe the 2 skills will just be onclicks). I'd just do QWE ASDF or something then. Tabbing while having fingers on keys just feels clunky, and that's going into dissociation at that point.
I hope we can put all 7 skills on keys (except onclicks I guess, maybe the 2 skills will just be onclicks). I'd just do QWE ASDF or something then. Tabbing while having fingers on keys just feels clunky, and that's going into dissociation at that point.
yea i was wondering about that too and i heard you could rebind keys at blizzcon as i'd rather have asdf and maybe my extra mouse buttons as skills. also you can rebind keys in sc2 and it saves to setting to your account, so hopefully its just a new bnet 2.0 function and diablo will have it as well.
This has me curious. Will I be able to rebind my keys to function exactly as they did in D2? That was very easy to use in my opinion. I've played other games where you either pressed a hotkey or clicked the icon to cast the skill and I was always clicking the icon but that worked well because you had to select the target in order to use the skill. It's my understanding that you don't "lock on" the target in D3. Seems like this system will be difficult for my uncoordinated ass to grasp.
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I usually aim pretty well on the map without needing the Shift key. You could remap it to Space anyway. The alt key is secondary. Generally, I'd remap this on a 4-button mouse anyway if Win7 recognized it. I'll probably get a more-button mouse when a few games come out, this mouse is like 8 years old...
So my question is: how are they going to do this in D3?
Take the wizard for example. I have 7 skill slots and only 2 mouse buttons (at least thats the minimum that you must plan for) I can assign a skill a piece to my left and right mouse but then what do I do with skill 3-7 when I want to cast them? Do I press '3' and it gets immediatly cast? Do I press '3' and then click with a mouse button (in this case youd have to keep pressing 3 and the mouse button to spam itd be like: tap-tap tap-tap tap-tap)? Or is it more like the old system where pressing 1-7 moves that skill to one of the two mouse buttons?
It seems like every option other than the old system isn't too ergonomically friendly so I currently have my fingers crossed that a response says: "The last option"
How "easy" is the game mechanics in attacks.
I think you use 2 mouse buttons and hotkeys to INSTANT cast anything programed for that hotkey. I dunno if its 1-0-keys or you can re-program them.
Anyhow, I have a 7 or 8 button mouse, I wonder if I can program those buttons..
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Yup, exactly, though I think it's only right-click that you tab/mousewheel to change.
So you right click to cast a skill; and mouse wheel or hit keys 1-7 to select a skill?
yeh, thats what i was afraid of unless you have a 7 button mouse. As i understand it though there are three ways to use a skill (which is nice) the 1-4 key (which I guess means you can only choose 4 skills doing this), the left click (which I assume cant be changed in battle, you pick 1 skill to go there), and the right click (where you can tab or scroll through all 7 skills)
The cursor-key system is generally much faster than the cursor-key-click system, anyway. Even with the cursor-key-click system all that ends up happening is that you press the key and wait to click, but it's not great when you have to react in a split second. Point-key is my preferred system, personally.
What's counter intuitive is the presence of the right click in the middle of that.
Ok I think i got it one more question though, is just a normal attack being counted as 1 of the 7 skills? Rather if the left mouse is assigned to an actual skill can you not do a normal attack (and if normal attak is not assigned somewhere else)?
Even though cursor-key is faster, I think Maka means its not as natural. In general when doing a task using a mouse, your first thought is to point to it and automatically the next thought is to select it somehow, not to reach for the keyboard. Actually now that I think of it, in this case cursor-key is slower than cursor-key-click because with cursor-key should actually be cursor-reach-key (you have to reach/point to the keyboard). In other words it takes longer to select a skill through keys 1-4 than it does to access a skill via the right mouse button because of the movement involved in pointing to numbers 1-4; whereas on the mouse your finger is generally already in place.
Hmmm now you have me staring at my mouse.....
I'd try to put all my skills on keys but that may not be possible. :/
Mice are not natural.
I don't agree. For me, going towards keyboard is very natural, but I played a lot of games where everything was hotkeyed. I think it's a matter of experience/preference.
Um, your finger is generally in place on the keys.
The DotA setup is QWER for the 4 skills. In Nox, they used the ASDFG setup for 5 scrolling keys, it worked fine.
It's really not about the mouse at all and I prefer to avoid using the mouse with keys.
Exactly. I think it's safe to assume that you're just going to be resting your left-hand fingers on the keyboards so your ring=1, middle=2, index=3&4, and pinky operates the tab key (assuming you use that over the scroll wheel). Try it...it feels very natural and comfortable.
As far as the gameplay, I think people are overestimating the complexity of pointing with the cursor and pushing a key on your keyboard. It might take like 15 minutes of gameplay to get it down unless you're just amazingly uncoordinated. I think the only instance you might get crossed up is using both your right-click skills in rapid succession while tabbing to switch between them. Therefore, I think we'll probably be seeing a lot of the second right-click skill being buffs/CC that aren't going to be used nearly as frequently as offensive skills.
yea i was wondering about that too and i heard you could rebind keys at blizzcon as i'd rather have asdf and maybe my extra mouse buttons as skills. also you can rebind keys in sc2 and it saves to setting to your account, so hopefully its just a new bnet 2.0 function and diablo will have it as well.
Leage was ok, but kind of slow, bloodline champions is 600% cooler, its the closest thing your going to get right now to diablo 3 PVP,