Yes, it is a game, and I have the right to disagree with specific art choices. I also have the ability to overlook them when playing a game with that art choice, and I have the ability to not purchase a game that I don't feel I'd enjoy as much. It's an opinion and taste-based market. That's consumer capitalism for you =P
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They said he lost his mind so he probably forgot all his spells and ability's and didn't know he was a barb. Until now he see's a small pack of fallen one's in the woods and remembers everything and goes on a frenzy and kills every one of them
I think this explanation is most feasible. A solid analogy would be Jason Bourne in the Bourne Identity; master assassin remembering his skills in times of dire need after a severe memory loss.
I think this explanation is most feasible. A solid analogy would be Jason Bourne in the Bourne Identity; master assassin remembering his skills in times of dire need after a severe memory loss.
Good.
Maybe the Barbarian wanted to forget all of what happened in Diablo II and the destruction of the Worldstone - so he locked it all away. Sometimes when we try to forget things a lot more is lost than we expect.
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Watching 240 guys talk trash about cavaliers is like two retards having a slapfight over a sippy cup.
I didn't even bother reading anything beyond the OP... but good god man, it's just a game. IMO it's necessary to bring a character like the Barbarian back to make a greater link between the 2nd and 3rd game.
This argument reminds me of certain WoW players saying things like, it makes no sense that we kill C'Thun at level 60 and Illidan at level 70, C'Thun is stronger etc. etc. It. Is. A. Game. Don't compare lore and story to gameplay mechanics.
EDIT: I just read some more of your posts in here where you try to argue the topic. Do everyone a favor and never develop a game. It wouldn't be fun. Do you think Baal died in D2 1 million times just because we did runs over and over?
I think I remember correctly when I say that both angels and demons are immortal. You kill their mortal body but their demonic/angelic spirit lives on. The angel against demon war is eternal, how can that be possible if they would die?
The prime evils are dead, but Diablo will be resurrected (or return somehow), which proves their immortality (unless they come back as undeads :P)
Immortal means you don't die of old age. It doesn't mean you can't be killed. It's just like LOTR. Gandalf is immortal (he had lived 300 lives of men at the time of the books) but he could be killed (Balrog killed him)
the prime evils and the angels never grow old or die of natural causes, but they certainly can be slain. Diablo an Mephisto are dead. Baal, that's another question but judging that his soulstone was originally broken and could. Ot contain him, I don't think the shard of his stone needs to be destroyed at the Hellforge to kill him. I'm pretty sure he's dead too after players killed him at Mount Arret.
I have a strong feeling this 3rd game will focus on the lesser evils that now rule hell: Azmodan and Belal (not sure of the names)
Ya know...I'm starting to feel alot of guilt over killing Baal etc. so many times. I mean, it was cool a couple of times, but then I just went back for more.
Now that I see we've all killed them so many times....we're horrible....horrible people.
How could we?
And yeah...who gives a rats ass about the whole Barb thing? Seriously, who really cares?
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Oh..and the Barb wasn't "struggling". At lvl 1, he has swine flu....at lvl 98, it goes away...and then he's back to his old self.
And then he gets cancer at 99, and will go into remission in Diablo 4.
Then in Diablo 5 he'll develop cataracts and near-sightedness, and won't be able to leap until he learns the skill "squint".
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Immortal means you don't die of old age. It doesn't mean you can't be killed. It's just like LOTR. Gandalf is immortal (he had lived 300 lives of men at the time of the books) but he could be killed (Balrog killed him)
Gandalf wasn't slain by the balrog, read the books again and/or watch the movie as both will explain what happened after he fell into the chasm with the balrog.
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Then in Diablo 5 he'll develop cataracts and near-sightedness, and won't be able to leap until he learns the skill "squint".
I couldn't stop laughing when I read that.
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So if the Barbarian of D3 is the same guy who beat the Prime Evils in D2, how can Blizzard or anyone explain that the D3 barb is lvl 1 and struggling to kill fallens?
Because it wouldn't make sense to start him at level eighty, and it wouldn't be fair to the other characters. It's just a game mechanic that takes precedence over realism, that's all
(But props, I hadn't thought of it.)
Gandalf wasn't slain by the balrog, read the books again and/or watch the movie as both will explain what happened after he fell into the chasm with the balrog.
It can more easily be argued that he did die, actually, while if it was only in spirit or if it was physical, as well, is highly controversial. He's an Istari, and an Istari is a Maiar just weaker in power, essentially, and in a mortal (fleshly) form, though Saruman was actually one of the most powerful Maiar in addition to being an Istari; a paradox.
However, in Tolkien's world, immortal did not really mean unable to die in many circumstances, as the Elves are continually described as immortal but can die (read the Silmarillion- there is a place in Valinor that they return to upon death) by "the sword" so to speak. Many of them obviously died in the first and second Wars of the Ring.
Furthermore, Gandalf's name in Westron is Elf of the Wand... So... Yeah. (Probably just an honorary term, though, since he would not be an Elf- he is a Maiar in a fleshly form.)
Read The Black Road. It explains it pretty well. Its not necessarily hell, more like the individual demons realm. The chaos sanctuary was more like an outpost of hell. When a demon is killed his soul falls into the dark abyss, which is to my understanding what created the diablo universe. Everything that goes there can return but it takes a while. Read the sin war trilogy, Lilith returned from the abyss that Inarius sent her to.
That's a good way to think of it.
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I think this explanation is most feasible. A solid analogy would be Jason Bourne in the Bourne Identity; master assassin remembering his skills in times of dire need after a severe memory loss.
Good.
Maybe the Barbarian wanted to forget all of what happened in Diablo II and the destruction of the Worldstone - so he locked it all away. Sometimes when we try to forget things a lot more is lost than we expect.
Fuck you, I'm a dragon.
Isn't that where we killed Diablo?
This argument reminds me of certain WoW players saying things like, it makes no sense that we kill C'Thun at level 60 and Illidan at level 70, C'Thun is stronger etc. etc. It. Is. A. Game. Don't compare lore and story to gameplay mechanics.
EDIT: I just read some more of your posts in here where you try to argue the topic. Do everyone a favor and never develop a game. It wouldn't be fun. Do you think Baal died in D2 1 million times just because we did runs over and over?
And a severe bout of Amnesia caused him to lose all memory of how to leap attack.
Immortal means you don't die of old age. It doesn't mean you can't be killed. It's just like LOTR. Gandalf is immortal (he had lived 300 lives of men at the time of the books) but he could be killed (Balrog killed him)
the prime evils and the angels never grow old or die of natural causes, but they certainly can be slain. Diablo an Mephisto are dead. Baal, that's another question but judging that his soulstone was originally broken and could. Ot contain him, I don't think the shard of his stone needs to be destroyed at the Hellforge to kill him. I'm pretty sure he's dead too after players killed him at Mount Arret.
I have a strong feeling this 3rd game will focus on the lesser evils that now rule hell: Azmodan and Belal (not sure of the names)
Now that I see we've all killed them so many times....we're horrible....horrible people.
How could we?
And yeah...who gives a rats ass about the whole Barb thing? Seriously, who really cares?
Edit -
Oh..and the Barb wasn't "struggling". At lvl 1, he has swine flu....at lvl 98, it goes away...and then he's back to his old self.
And then he gets cancer at 99, and will go into remission in Diablo 4.
Then in Diablo 5 he'll develop cataracts and near-sightedness, and won't be able to leap until he learns the skill "squint".
Gandalf wasn't slain by the balrog, read the books again and/or watch the movie as both will explain what happened after he fell into the chasm with the balrog.
I couldn't stop laughing when I read that.
Because it wouldn't make sense to start him at level eighty, and it wouldn't be fair to the other characters. It's just a game mechanic that takes precedence over realism, that's all
(But props, I hadn't thought of it.)
It can more easily be argued that he did die, actually, while if it was only in spirit or if it was physical, as well, is highly controversial. He's an Istari, and an Istari is a Maiar just weaker in power, essentially, and in a mortal (fleshly) form, though Saruman was actually one of the most powerful Maiar in addition to being an Istari; a paradox.
However, in Tolkien's world, immortal did not really mean unable to die in many circumstances, as the Elves are continually described as immortal but can die (read the Silmarillion- there is a place in Valinor that they return to upon death) by "the sword" so to speak. Many of them obviously died in the first and second Wars of the Ring.
Furthermore, Gandalf's name in Westron is Elf of the Wand... So... Yeah. (Probably just an honorary term, though, since he would not be an Elf- he is a Maiar in a fleshly form.)
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