I'm with you on that, I don't want my son being subjected to those 5 or so years older than he dropping the disparaging comments on him until he is much older.
There's this wicked innovative command that is just tearing down the walls of online gaming. Are you ready to hear about this command?! ....Like, I'm gonna type this groundbreaking command out, like, right now.
/squelch
Honestly, your kid should know who he should and shouldn't associate himself with, and in fact, it's probably easier to keep a kid away from a creep in an online game because in real life, there is not a squelch command.
There's this wicked innovative command that is just tearing down the walls of online gaming. Are you ready to hear about this command?! ....Like, I'm gonna type this groundbreaking command out, like, right now.
/squelch
Honestly, your kid should know who he should and shouldn't associate himself with, and in fact, it's probably easier to keep a kid away from a creep in an online game because in real life, there is not a squelch command.
My boy is 12, someone that old is not able to make the right call in every situation. Kids try to fit in and sometimes will take abuse and not think of it as abuse. I don't believe I'll be trying to figure out who in his chat list needs to be squelched. There are varying levels of bad behavior such as condescending snarks, not unlike your post above, I don't think I want him subjected to that kind of bad behavior either. Honestly until you are old enough to raise a kid of your own you simply won't understand.
I'm with you on that, I don't want my son being subjected to those 5 or so years older than he dropping the disparaging comments on him until he is much older.
What about the blood, gore, limbs, demons, undeads, nudity etc? I guess its good to see those at younger age already.
I'm with you on that, I don't want my son being subjected to those 5 or so years older than he dropping the disparaging comments on him until he is much older.
Disparaging comments are character building. Your son is probably going to get that at school anyway if he's over 10. My family hit me with those kind of comments all the time and I turned out ok :thumbsup:
ie played D2 since i was 12 on bnet. i turned out alright im now 21. but you have a valid point your kids your decision.
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I've never thought of Battle.net as a breeding ground for pedophiles and creeps. The worst you get on Battle.net is an idiot who calls you a retarded noob so and so, and other trivial text insults.
But aside from that, this is just another perfect example of why Blizzard have absolutely nothing to lose from adding LAN and lots to gain, as in, more sales.
Whats the downside of adding LAN? I can't think of one :confused:
they are more over wrried about piracy on sc2 thats why no lan
What about the blood, gore, limbs, demons, undeads, nudity etc? I guess its good to see those at younger age already.
At first I was worried about that but mom was playing it for a year before he got on it and he kept watching her play it over her shoulder (when she wasn't looking). We give him a healthy dose of "this is fantasy and a game" and "this is real and reality" and make sure his attitude stays in the right court. He deals pretty well games, what I am more concerned about are 15 or 16 year old players starting to exercize their new found 4 letter vocabularies and cap on each other wit. That's the stuff that will chip away at someones self image, 11 and 12 year olds look up to that age group because they know it's around the corner and listen to them for pointers, too closely.
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Disparaging comments are character building. Your son is probably going to get that at school anyway if he's over 10. My family hit me with those kind of comments all the time and I turned out ok :thumbsup:
We home school, Nevada is number 49 out of the 50 states for worst education, but the charter program is pretty good. So we just try to get him out of the house to get the interaction. Disparaging comments are character building? I don't think so, I'm sure he would turn out fine too if I didn't have a choice, but since I do for at least a little longer I will be defending his input until it's time to cut the apron strings more.
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ie played D2 since i was 12 on bnet. i turned out alright im now 21. but you have a valid point your kids your decision.
If I were 21 or younger I would probably be here saying what everyone is saying. But I'm 43 and seen enough crap in those additional 20 years to alter my view. That and when you become a parent, you get very defensive of what goes into your kids head while trying to not be an overbearing dictator. You only get one shot at raising your kid well and that's it. The most important ages are between 14 and 18, who you make friends with and what you put into your head will determine where you are at for at least the next 20 years of your life.
If you are 16, you (presumably) are in 11th grade.
If this was too long ago for you, let me clue you in on what that implies.
That means you've been watching porn since your new friends introduced you to it in 7th grade, you've been drinking since your rich friend decided to go on an adventure in his parents' personal bar, and you have heard every single profanity in the history of the world. You have slandered, you have cheated, you have lied.
In short, Diablo 3's online community is the least of your children's worries.
edit: @vegasrage, I understand you're now captaining this sinking ship, but this is aimed at those who aren't homeschooling their kids. If homeschool was your only option then I hope you understand that getting Diablo 3 to underaged homeschooled kids probably isn't the best demographic for Blizzard to be selling to. Also, they are called private battle.net games for a reason - that is the way I played D2, simply because I didn't like peoples usernames/grammar.
I don't really see what the big deal is about LAN, I mean, is it that big of a difference if you're sitting around a table playing in a LAN game to sitting around a table playing a private game on b.net?
I don't really see what the big deal is about LAN, I mean, is it that big of a difference if you're sitting around a table playing in a LAN game to sitting around a table playing a private game on b.net?
What do I do when visiting my mother-in-law who has no Internet? I'm not allowed to play with anyone even though I have a router right there between us?
I don't really see what the big deal is about LAN, I mean, is it that big of a difference if you're sitting around a table playing in a LAN game to sitting around a table playing a private game on b.net?
Yes, it is. For people with a fucked up internet speed, it is. Not everyone gets 10000000 MB/s speed for 5 cents like a lot of you do.
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Disparaging comments are character building. Your son is probably going to get that at school anyway if he's over 10. My family hit me with those kind of comments all the time and I turned out ok :thumbsup:
Have you ever even taken a Philosophy or Psychology class? A child that age, exposed to that kind of bullshit will more than likely have his self esteem burnt to ashes, and aspire to become a bully when he's older, to cover up what he thinks he lacks, and to follow in the footsteps of whom he considers as role models.
I don't really see what the big deal is about LAN, I mean, is it that big of a difference if you're sitting around a table playing in a LAN game to sitting around a table playing a private game on b.net?
Have you ever even taken a Philosophy or Psychology class? A child that age, exposed to that kind of bullshit will more than likely have his self esteem burnt to ashes, and aspire to become a bully when he's older, to cover up what he thinks he lacks, and to follow in the footsteps of whom he considers as role models.
It depends on the child I think. Also lets be clear what we're talking about here. I'm talking about passing remarks that one might encounter on an online game such as D2 or WoW. Someone telling a child that they are rubbish at being a healer on WoW is not going to seriously screw them up. I think that focused abuse or really nasty comments are detrimental but I also think that that kind of thing is reletively rare, at least in my experiance.
I actually just explained it in the post above yours. So either you didn't see, or there's something wrong with you.
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It depends on the child I think. Also lets be clear what we're talking about here. I'm talking about passing remarks that one might encounter on an online game such as D2 or WoW. Someone telling a child that they are rubbish at being a healer on WoW is not going to seriously screw them up. I think that focused abuse or really nasty comments are detrimental but I also think that that kind of thing is reletively rare, at least in my experiance.
"Rare" means that it still exists, and its a parental right for parents to not want their children around that rubbish, regardless of how common it is.
I dont see why this is such a big deal. There going to expirience it one way or another weather at a young age or at an older age. I guess it also depends on the child and how seriously hes going to take it though.
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"Rare" means that it still exists, and its a parental right for parents to not want their children around that rubbish, regardless of how common it is.
Of course it has always been the parental right to decide what is best for their child up to a point. I'm talking about risk. The risk of the child getting permanently damaged by a comment made on an MMO are fairly small I imagine, that choice of whether or not to let the child take that risk has always been with the parent, I do not dispute that. But one wonders whether it would also be deemed too risky to travel in a car or to play outside with other children as there are many more real and present dangers in those environments than there ever would be on an MMO. Where do you draw the line?
I can understand the parent not wanting the child to get upset, but to worry about permanent mental scaring seems a tad overdramatic in my oppinion. A far better choice I belive would be to try to give the child the self confidence to say "that dude just called me an idiot! What a moron!" and to give support to help them cope properly with similar issues that they will inevitably encounter in their lives. I think that if a child gets irreversably mentaly destroyed by a few harsh comments then there was probably a prexisting problem in their pshyce. of course if the child is very young then I agree it could be harmful but then they should not be playing the game in the first place (as said by many posts before this one).
What do I do when visiting my mother-in-law who has no Internet? I'm not allowed to play with anyone even though I have a router right there between us?
You're going to your mother-in-laws to play Diablo on lan? O.o Call me old-fashioned but usually when I visit some ones house, I actually spend time with them.
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Yes, it is. For people with a fucked up internet speed, it is. Not everyone gets 10000000 MB/s speed for 5 cents like a lot of you do.
Well, it sucks to be them, perhaps they should curse their religious deity for having them born in a 3rd world country.
There are a lot of countries that don?t offer exactly average or below average connections, like for example 500kb download and 200kb upload, those people would be better off playing over lan than over battle net.
You kidding me?
I used to be on 256kb download, and it was really good for online gaming; I was always pinging 5 in servers.
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It's the decisions you make when you have no time to make them that define who you are.
It depends on the child I think. Also lets be clear what we're talking about here. I'm talking about passing remarks that one might encounter on an online game such as D2 or WoW. Someone telling a child that they are rubbish at being a healer on WoW is not going to seriously screw them up. I think that focused abuse or really nasty comments are detrimental but I also think that that kind of thing is reletively rare, at least in my experiance.
Mephisto is right, and kids between between the ages of 10 and 13 are the most vulnerable to that kind of input. They take so much to heart and look to those a few years ahead of them for cues as how to act. Sadly all too often many kids between 14 to 16 are often the cruelest. At that age the line between taking a good path and bad one is incredibly narrow. Give it 20 years and then look back, you will stunned at the close calls you had.
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You're going to your mother-in-laws to play Diablo on lan? O.o Call me old-fashioned but usually when I visit some ones house, I actually spend time with them. Well, it sucks to be them, perhaps they should curse their religious deity for having them born in a 3rd world country.
If this nation takes a big financial crap in the next 5 to 10 years (highly likely) let's hope emerging markets we owe money to, who you might count among the "3rd world" are more compassionate to us than that. Arrogance is the most dangerous axiom to operate from, please, please, don't. Last time I checked we all are milling around one big blue marble called earth and none of NASA's pictures from space show any of those imaginary boundaries people keep drawing all over our maps. I'll leave it at that before my fingers lose their patience and diplomacy with your post and unleash what they want to type.
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There's this wicked innovative command that is just tearing down the walls of online gaming. Are you ready to hear about this command?! ....Like, I'm gonna type this groundbreaking command out, like, right now.
/squelch
Honestly, your kid should know who he should and shouldn't associate himself with, and in fact, it's probably easier to keep a kid away from a creep in an online game because in real life, there is not a squelch command.
My boy is 12, someone that old is not able to make the right call in every situation. Kids try to fit in and sometimes will take abuse and not think of it as abuse. I don't believe I'll be trying to figure out who in his chat list needs to be squelched. There are varying levels of bad behavior such as condescending snarks, not unlike your post above, I don't think I want him subjected to that kind of bad behavior either. Honestly until you are old enough to raise a kid of your own you simply won't understand.
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Disparaging comments are character building. Your son is probably going to get that at school anyway if he's over 10. My family hit me with those kind of comments all the time and I turned out ok :thumbsup:
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they are more over wrried about piracy on sc2 thats why no lan
Nope. Is there a private server that 'works' even remotely similar to how the game should be working? Nope. Are there any exploits in WOW? Nope.
Case closed.
At first I was worried about that but mom was playing it for a year before he got on it and he kept watching her play it over her shoulder (when she wasn't looking). We give him a healthy dose of "this is fantasy and a game" and "this is real and reality" and make sure his attitude stays in the right court. He deals pretty well games, what I am more concerned about are 15 or 16 year old players starting to exercize their new found 4 letter vocabularies and cap on each other wit. That's the stuff that will chip away at someones self image, 11 and 12 year olds look up to that age group because they know it's around the corner and listen to them for pointers, too closely.
We home school, Nevada is number 49 out of the 50 states for worst education, but the charter program is pretty good. So we just try to get him out of the house to get the interaction. Disparaging comments are character building? I don't think so, I'm sure he would turn out fine too if I didn't have a choice, but since I do for at least a little longer I will be defending his input until it's time to cut the apron strings more.
If I were 21 or younger I would probably be here saying what everyone is saying. But I'm 43 and seen enough crap in those additional 20 years to alter my view. That and when you become a parent, you get very defensive of what goes into your kids head while trying to not be an overbearing dictator. You only get one shot at raising your kid well and that's it. The most important ages are between 14 and 18, who you make friends with and what you put into your head will determine where you are at for at least the next 20 years of your life.
If this was too long ago for you, let me clue you in on what that implies.
That means you've been watching porn since your new friends introduced you to it in 7th grade, you've been drinking since your rich friend decided to go on an adventure in his parents' personal bar, and you have heard every single profanity in the history of the world. You have slandered, you have cheated, you have lied.
In short, Diablo 3's online community is the least of your children's worries.
edit: @vegasrage, I understand you're now captaining this sinking ship, but this is aimed at those who aren't homeschooling their kids. If homeschool was your only option then I hope you understand that getting Diablo 3 to underaged homeschooled kids probably isn't the best demographic for Blizzard to be selling to. Also, they are called private battle.net games for a reason - that is the way I played D2, simply because I didn't like peoples usernames/grammar.
Clearly you have never played WoW before.
What do I do when visiting my mother-in-law who has no Internet? I'm not allowed to play with anyone even though I have a router right there between us?
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Yes, it is. For people with a fucked up internet speed, it is. Not everyone gets 10000000 MB/s speed for 5 cents like a lot of you do.
Have you ever even taken a Philosophy or Psychology class? A child that age, exposed to that kind of bullshit will more than likely have his self esteem burnt to ashes, and aspire to become a bully when he's older, to cover up what he thinks he lacks, and to follow in the footsteps of whom he considers as role models.
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Me either.... I mean .... COME ON
It depends on the child I think. Also lets be clear what we're talking about here. I'm talking about passing remarks that one might encounter on an online game such as D2 or WoW. Someone telling a child that they are rubbish at being a healer on WoW is not going to seriously screw them up. I think that focused abuse or really nasty comments are detrimental but I also think that that kind of thing is reletively rare, at least in my experiance.
"One does not simply rock into Mordor."
"There's no I in Team America!"
I actually just explained it in the post above yours. So either you didn't see, or there's something wrong with you.
"Rare" means that it still exists, and its a parental right for parents to not want their children around that rubbish, regardless of how common it is.
Rise and rise again, until lambs become lions
If you want to arrange it
This world you can change it
If we could somehow make this
Christmas thing last
By helping a neighbor
Or even a stranger
And to know who needs help
You need only just ask
Of course it has always been the parental right to decide what is best for their child up to a point. I'm talking about risk. The risk of the child getting permanently damaged by a comment made on an MMO are fairly small I imagine, that choice of whether or not to let the child take that risk has always been with the parent, I do not dispute that. But one wonders whether it would also be deemed too risky to travel in a car or to play outside with other children as there are many more real and present dangers in those environments than there ever would be on an MMO. Where do you draw the line?
I can understand the parent not wanting the child to get upset, but to worry about permanent mental scaring seems a tad overdramatic in my oppinion. A far better choice I belive would be to try to give the child the self confidence to say "that dude just called me an idiot! What a moron!" and to give support to help them cope properly with similar issues that they will inevitably encounter in their lives. I think that if a child gets irreversably mentaly destroyed by a few harsh comments then there was probably a prexisting problem in their pshyce. of course if the child is very young then I agree it could be harmful but then they should not be playing the game in the first place (as said by many posts before this one).
"One does not simply rock into Mordor."
"There's no I in Team America!"
You're going to your mother-in-laws to play Diablo on lan? O.o Call me old-fashioned but usually when I visit some ones house, I actually spend time with them.
Well, it sucks to be them, perhaps they should curse their religious deity for having them born in a 3rd world country.
You kidding me?
I used to be on 256kb download, and it was really good for online gaming; I was always pinging 5 in servers.
It's the decisions you make when you have no time to make them that define who you are.
Mephisto is right, and kids between between the ages of 10 and 13 are the most vulnerable to that kind of input. They take so much to heart and look to those a few years ahead of them for cues as how to act. Sadly all too often many kids between 14 to 16 are often the cruelest. At that age the line between taking a good path and bad one is incredibly narrow. Give it 20 years and then look back, you will stunned at the close calls you had.
If this nation takes a big financial crap in the next 5 to 10 years (highly likely) let's hope emerging markets we owe money to, who you might count among the "3rd world" are more compassionate to us than that. Arrogance is the most dangerous axiom to operate from, please, please, don't. Last time I checked we all are milling around one big blue marble called earth and none of NASA's pictures from space show any of those imaginary boundaries people keep drawing all over our maps. I'll leave it at that before my fingers lose their patience and diplomacy with your post and unleash what they want to type.