First I wanna say that I'm pretty sure no matter I'll be buying D3; I'd be a fool not to for as long as I've been a fan and waiting for it.
I think the reason the art strikes a chord with people is that we've been waiting 10 very long years for the sequel to the game that made us say "Ok, it's official, I'm a Diablo fan for life". And because of that, it's been a looong 10 years of anticipation, speculation and rumors. My two best friends and I are huge Blizzard fans and played and explored all the PC games together and played D2 online for years. I have since then moved, but I talked to one the other day and we talked about the announcement and what not and what he said was "Yeah dude, it's still hard to believe. I mean we finally got Diablo 3 and then Starcraft 2 in the same year... it's like holy shit, man". And I think that is how alot of people feel. It's hard to believe it's finally here after almost convincing ourselves it never would.
And I think along with that everyone had their dreams and ideas of what D3 would look like. I mean, we had 10 years; more than enough time to think about such things. And when the trailer and game play video finally came, people thought "Wait a minute.... that's not really how I saw it".
Another factor that goes into it is that I believe that ever since the success of WoW and the attention it got has caused a rift with fans of the other Blizzard franchises. It's like hearing about how good and successful your other sibling is; it gets to the point where you want nothing to do with him/her/it. Because of that, I think people already set their mind to looking for anything "WoW-ish" in the new Diablo and raising Hell about it if there is. I, speaking for myself, do believe that there are some similarities that can be drawn between the WoW look and the look in the D3 game play video.
I personally dislike it, but I can't, and neither can any of you, draw any final conclusions until we play the game ourselves. I personally think there could be some improvement (of course; because it hasn't been released yet), but what I see as improvement isn't the same to the next guy. All I can do is hope that Diablo 3 is everything I hoped it would be.
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You are talking like DII fans are something special. They are the same as any other fan of any other game, and no one owes them anything. If you have a psychological issue where you can't just wait for a game to come out without signing petitions or making fun of developers, well, you are not anything Blizzard did not expect.
10 years. Some fans waited longer, some fans will wait longer, some companies shut down, some games were forgotten. Pfft. You are placing yourself too high above fans of other games.
To release a sequel that the fans of the prequel would like is nearly impossible. Expectations are skyrocket, unreal.
You are talking like DII fans are something special. They are the same as any other fan of any other game, and no one owes them anything. If you have a psychological issue where you can't just wait for a game to come out without signing petitions or making fun of developers, well, you are not anything Blizzard did not expect.
10 years. Some fans waited longer, some fans will wait longer, some companies shut down, some games were forgotten. Pfft. You are placing yourself too high above fans of other games.
To release a sequel that the fans of the prequel would like is nearly impossible. Expectations are skyrocket, unreal.
Beating a dead horse as far as the topic, yes. But not very many people have given good reasons without flaming with people and pushing their side of the fence; which is what I tried to do.
I'm not holding anyone at any kind of special level. I didn't create the issues people have, they came naturally. I'm simply giving potential reasons behind it, and for the most part, not speaking for myself. And how did I make fun of any kind of game developer? I think you're confusing threads, my friend.
If you're tired of reading such shit, you read the title; don't read the thread. My topic title is exactly what I made the thread about.
Again, I never mentioned anyone being special or being above anyone else nor did I try to insinuate such a thing. That's an issue you need to resolve personally. I never said anything like "we deserve it" or "we're owed it". Again, don't like it? Don't read or post.
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But not very many people have given good reasons without flaming with people and pushing their side of the fence; which is what I tried to do.
Nor did you. Some other guy did, I remember his thread.
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I'm not holding anyone at any kind of special level. I didn't create the issues people have, they came naturally. I'm simply giving potential reasons behind it, and for the most part, not speaking for myself.
Reasons are "We are fans". Is that even a reason? Hell no. Any person who was a fan of anything and waited for 10 years for something will have a negative reaction when that something is finally revealed. Old, boring, typical. Thing is, sometimes people want those fans to calm down and stop whining for once.
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And how did I make fun of any kind of game developer?
You are making fun of Blizzard. Your sig. That's severe disrespect and bias, and it's propaganda.
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If you're tired of reading such shit, you read the title; don't read the thread. My topic title is exactly what I made the thread about.
I'm tired of your sig, actually. Unfortunately, you don't stop posting so I do keep seeing it, and I will post what I think about things like that as long as I feel like it. You don't like me posting here? Well, I don't like your sig. Or the sig of the guy who originally had it.
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I never said anything like "we deserve it" or "we're owed it". Again, don't like it? Don't read or post.
You didn't. Your buddies did. Those that signed the petition. You are explaining them, and I am attacking them, pretty normal, I think.
the art direction has over 50k signatures on it, and its only up to blizzard now to decide whether to change the art direction or not.
Very true. I doubt they'll change the direction completely, but as we saw with the Starcraft fans Blizzard made some changes with the models for SC2. I think we might see a compromise. Who knows, only time will tell.
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Cut that out. They simply evolved the graphics. They did not change it due to fans whining. Blizzard is not that weak and helpless.
umm to give their fans what they ask for isn't exactly being weak or helpless, its just shows that they care...
that goes for any gaming company... not just blizzard
Please read and enjoy. Don't expect anything even with a massive amount of signatures.
well I think at the very least, Blizzard has seen the before and after images, and if they think that they are fair enough they might decide to compromise
Please read and enjoy. Don't expect anything even with a massive amount of signatures.
I'm sorry, but WTF is snopes and why should we care what they say?
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Though I am not really happy with the change in graphics, I am not really appalled by it either. It is the demonic posture that concerns me and that can be accomplished even with color. Outside in the daylight it should look like there is a world going on - but it should have the feel of demonic ill.
Whatever music they choose will modify the atmosphere tremendously. So I'm hoping they make use of orchestration simply because of its tremendous versatility and its ability to create an amazingly beguiling background with amazingly demonic dissonance and resonance.
The difference between D1 and D2 was fairly radical too, and everybody seemed to love it. Give Blizzard a break. Let them make us a game. Their ingenuity shows real well in all previous versions. How could this version be be anything but good?
This thread is going to decline to the same thing that any discussion about the art direction goes... I hope this gets closed soon, because it has no purpose.
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"The certain prospect of death could sweeten every life with a precious and fragrant drop of levity, and now you
strange apothecary souls have turned it into an ill-tasting drop of poison that makes the whole of life repulsive." -Nietzsche
Nor did you. Some other guy did, I remember his thread.
Reasons are "We are fans". Is that even a reason? Hell no. Any person who was a fan of anything and waited for 10 years for something will have a negative reaction when that something is finally revealed. Old, boring, typical. Thing is, sometimes people want those fans to calm down and stop whining for once.
You are making fun of Blizzard. Your sig. That's severe disrespect and bias, and it's propaganda.
I'm tired of your sig, actually. Unfortunately, you don't stop posting so I do keep seeing it, and I will post what I think about things like that as long as I feel like it. You don't like me posting here? Well, I don't like your sig. Or the sig of the guy who originally had it.
You didn't. Your buddies did. Those that signed the petition. You are explaining them, and I am attacking them, pretty normal, I think.
Fantastic. Care to bring something worth while to the table other than what you like and dislike about my signature? Sorry for "making fun" of Blizzard in my signature. I'll be sure to not give a shit. I doubt Blizzard is losing sleep over a signature on a Diablo fan forum, nor are they offended. I mean really. Disrespect? What kind of respect does a company deserve who's in it for profit? They make a product, I buy it.
I'm also sorry that you feel the need to "attack" people who differ in opinion from you on a forum. You find it normal, I find it abnormal. Oh no! Another differing opinion! Prepare for the attack!
And I don't know why you have a problem with the people being on a special level issue. It's quite obvious from your signature (while we seem to be on the topic of sigs) that you're trying to create separation from people. "Most people are fans of the second Diablo than the first; I'm going to make it apparent that I'm the opposite. While I'm at it, I think I'll toss some big words in here to pretty much say "simple minded people are amused by simple things".
Again, fantastic.
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If there is one thing I love about Bethesda Game Studios, its the fact that when they are thinking about making a new game, they don't just do it amongst themselves. they actually involve the fans in the process and open threads just for suggestions as to what they would like to see in the game, then they make their game.
I wish blizzard would do that!
This thread is going to decline to the same thing that any discussion about the art direction goes... I hope this gets closed soon, because it has no purpose.
It did at one point. But that went out the window about 3 posts in.
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If there is one thing I love about Bethesda Game Studios, its the fact that when they are thinking about making a new game, they don't just do it amongst themselves. they actually involve the fans in the process and open threads just for suggestions as to what they would like to see in the game, then they make their game.
I wish blizzard would do that!
That would certainly make things a whole lot easier. lol
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Sometimes developers want feedback. They asked for feedback, we gave it, simple as that, no whining involved.
It's an opinion. You are making fun of people calling them whiners and whatnot.
Well, i guess that's your problem, i like it.
For many, the sig is a symbol for all the things they don't like in what has been shown. It's a fact that the demo has failed to meet the expectations of many fans. They had it coming...
That's exacly the problem. Attack instead of discussion.
Man, points made for me. :thumbsup:
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I'm sorry, but WTF is snopes and why should we care what they say?
Yeah, how is what "snopes" said any different than what someone says on here? That read was essentially just an opening post for a thread...
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well I think at the very least, Blizzard has seen the before and after images, and if they think that they are fair enough they might decide to compromise
Fair enough. I think the petition at least brought Blizzard to the attention of some of the dislikes people, I hate the word "fan" now..., have for Diablo right now. I expect a change on the same level as Starcraft 2.
It did at one point. But that went out the window about 3 posts in.
I would say that I agree with you, but people look at two things when they click on a thread. The title and the Author... And with the obvious stance of your view on the art direction with that signature of yours, nothing good was bound to come out of this thread.
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I think the reason the art strikes a chord with people is that we've been waiting 10 very long years for the sequel to the game that made us say "Ok, it's official, I'm a Diablo fan for life". And because of that, it's been a looong 10 years of anticipation, speculation and rumors. My two best friends and I are huge Blizzard fans and played and explored all the PC games together and played D2 online for years. I have since then moved, but I talked to one the other day and we talked about the announcement and what not and what he said was "Yeah dude, it's still hard to believe. I mean we finally got Diablo 3 and then Starcraft 2 in the same year... it's like holy shit, man". And I think that is how alot of people feel. It's hard to believe it's finally here after almost convincing ourselves it never would.
And I think along with that everyone had their dreams and ideas of what D3 would look like. I mean, we had 10 years; more than enough time to think about such things. And when the trailer and game play video finally came, people thought "Wait a minute.... that's not really how I saw it".
Another factor that goes into it is that I believe that ever since the success of WoW and the attention it got has caused a rift with fans of the other Blizzard franchises. It's like hearing about how good and successful your other sibling is; it gets to the point where you want nothing to do with him/her/it. Because of that, I think people already set their mind to looking for anything "WoW-ish" in the new Diablo and raising Hell about it if there is. I, speaking for myself, do believe that there are some similarities that can be drawn between the WoW look and the look in the D3 game play video.
I personally dislike it, but I can't, and neither can any of you, draw any final conclusions until we play the game ourselves. I personally think there could be some improvement (of course; because it hasn't been released yet), but what I see as improvement isn't the same to the next guy. All I can do is hope that Diablo 3 is everything I hoped it would be.
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"I'm nasty, I'm old and a little bit ornery; I look like Patrick Stewart and sound like Sean Connery."
Patch 1.13 = (click here)
You are talking like DII fans are something special. They are the same as any other fan of any other game, and no one owes them anything. If you have a psychological issue where you can't just wait for a game to come out without signing petitions or making fun of developers, well, you are not anything Blizzard did not expect.
10 years. Some fans waited longer, some fans will wait longer, some companies shut down, some games were forgotten. Pfft. You are placing yourself too high above fans of other games.
To release a sequel that the fans of the prequel would like is nearly impossible. Expectations are skyrocket, unreal.
Beating a dead horse as far as the topic, yes. But not very many people have given good reasons without flaming with people and pushing their side of the fence; which is what I tried to do.
I'm not holding anyone at any kind of special level. I didn't create the issues people have, they came naturally. I'm simply giving potential reasons behind it, and for the most part, not speaking for myself. And how did I make fun of any kind of game developer? I think you're confusing threads, my friend.
If you're tired of reading such shit, you read the title; don't read the thread. My topic title is exactly what I made the thread about.
Again, I never mentioned anyone being special or being above anyone else nor did I try to insinuate such a thing. That's an issue you need to resolve personally. I never said anything like "we deserve it" or "we're owed it". Again, don't like it? Don't read or post.
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A cool, unrelated video; "Dude Bids 420 on Price is Right" ("420, Bob")
"I'm nasty, I'm old and a little bit ornery; I look like Patrick Stewart and sound like Sean Connery."
Patch 1.13 = (click here)
Reasons are "We are fans". Is that even a reason? Hell no. Any person who was a fan of anything and waited for 10 years for something will have a negative reaction when that something is finally revealed. Old, boring, typical. Thing is, sometimes people want those fans to calm down and stop whining for once.
You are making fun of Blizzard. Your sig. That's severe disrespect and bias, and it's propaganda.
I'm tired of your sig, actually. Unfortunately, you don't stop posting so I do keep seeing it, and I will post what I think about things like that as long as I feel like it. You don't like me posting here? Well, I don't like your sig. Or the sig of the guy who originally had it.
You didn't. Your buddies did. Those that signed the petition. You are explaining them, and I am attacking them, pretty normal, I think.
Very true. I doubt they'll change the direction completely, but as we saw with the Starcraft fans Blizzard made some changes with the models for SC2. I think we might see a compromise. Who knows, only time will tell.
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Patch 1.13 = (click here)
that goes for any gaming company... not just blizzard
http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/petition/internet.asp
Please read and enjoy. Don't expect anything even with a massive amount of signatures.
well I think at the very least, Blizzard has seen the before and after images, and if they think that they are fair enough they might decide to compromise
I'm sorry, but WTF is snopes and why should we care what they say?
strange apothecary souls have turned it into an ill-tasting drop of poison that makes the whole of life repulsive." -Nietzsche
Whatever music they choose will modify the atmosphere tremendously. So I'm hoping they make use of orchestration simply because of its tremendous versatility and its ability to create an amazingly beguiling background with amazingly demonic dissonance and resonance.
The difference between D1 and D2 was fairly radical too, and everybody seemed to love it. Give Blizzard a break. Let them make us a game. Their ingenuity shows real well in all previous versions. How could this version be be anything but good?
strange apothecary souls have turned it into an ill-tasting drop of poison that makes the whole of life repulsive." -Nietzsche
Fantastic. Care to bring something worth while to the table other than what you like and dislike about my signature? Sorry for "making fun" of Blizzard in my signature. I'll be sure to not give a shit. I doubt Blizzard is losing sleep over a signature on a Diablo fan forum, nor are they offended. I mean really. Disrespect? What kind of respect does a company deserve who's in it for profit? They make a product, I buy it.
I'm also sorry that you feel the need to "attack" people who differ in opinion from you on a forum. You find it normal, I find it abnormal. Oh no! Another differing opinion! Prepare for the attack!
And I don't know why you have a problem with the people being on a special level issue. It's quite obvious from your signature (while we seem to be on the topic of sigs) that you're trying to create separation from people. "Most people are fans of the second Diablo than the first; I'm going to make it apparent that I'm the opposite. While I'm at it, I think I'll toss some big words in here to pretty much say "simple minded people are amused by simple things".
Again, fantastic.
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I wish blizzard would do that!
It did at one point. But that went out the window about 3 posts in.
That would certainly make things a whole lot easier. lol
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Patch 1.13 = (click here)
Man, points made for me. :thumbsup:
Yeah, how is what "snopes" said any different than what someone says on here? That read was essentially just an opening post for a thread...
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"I'm nasty, I'm old and a little bit ornery; I look like Patrick Stewart and sound like Sean Connery."
Patch 1.13 = (click here)
Fair enough. I think the petition at least brought Blizzard to the attention of some of the dislikes people, I hate the word "fan" now..., have for Diablo right now. I expect a change on the same level as Starcraft 2.
I would say that I agree with you, but people look at two things when they click on a thread. The title and the Author... And with the obvious stance of your view on the art direction with that signature of yours, nothing good was bound to come out of this thread.
strange apothecary souls have turned it into an ill-tasting drop of poison that makes the whole of life repulsive." -Nietzsche