Oh and as far as your new analogy, nobody is taking things off the farm. I sell my turnip to some dude on the farm so he can play with it.
Yeah but b.net has no in-game mechanism for buying/selling items for actual cash, which is something that exists out of the game. Ebay also exists out of the game. So my analogy actually does make perfect sense.
You are right that little can be done by Blizzard to prevent it, but it's still wrong. It is ebay's responsibility to make sure people aren't selling things illegallly on their site, something which they don't do either because Blizzard never pressured them or because they know it's bringing in more ebay users. Either way, as far as the game goes it is cheating. It's kiind of like paying off referees in sport. You shouldn't buy your way to success in a game, it's against the rules.
(and I don't meen buying players, because that exists within the sport)
It is fully legal to sell your items/loot on ebay.
There is no law against it.
etslayer says:
"It's kiind of like paying off referees in sport. You shouldn't buy your way to success in a game.."
How do you figure?
There are still item/level requisites on most of the stuff I see being sold.
So, in fact you have to have gotten somewhere in order to use what you are buying..
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It is fully legal to sell your items/loot on ebay.
There is no law against it.
How do you figure?
There are still item/level requisites on most of the stuff I see being sold.
So, in fact you have to have gotten somewhere in order to use what you are buying..
It is not legal, you are selling blizzard's property and undermining the user agreement.
so what if there are level requirements? How is that relevant in any way? You still bought the items, which is cheating.
It is not legal, you are selling blizzard's property and undermining the user agreement.
so what if there are level requirements? How is that relevant in any way? You still bought the items, which is cheating.
Correction.
Nowhere did I say I buy D2 items off of ebay.
I don't use ebay. A lot of people up there are ripp-offs and I prefer to stay away incase I'm one of the few poor fools who get duped.
Learn to read buddy.
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Watching 240 guys talk trash about cavaliers is like two retards having a slapfight over a sippy cup.
Actually, I do know how to read, and I know how to think also. That's why I saw the bs in your argument.
And when I say "when you buy from ebay..." I am speaking hypothetically, I didn't mean to accuse you of ebaying. But apparently you would in theory, seeing as the only reason you don't is because the items are overpriced...
I don't think its illegal according to US law to bribe a ref. It is illegal according to the rules and laws of the NBA, NFL, etc. Also Blizzard maintains control of items and can shut b.net down at any time. They also reserve the right to do whatever they want to b.net characters. The reason they don't over exercise their power is because they want people to like, play, and buy their games.
What if I mowed your lawn, you paid me 20 bucks for it, then later on I gave you a sweet item I found? Or what if all that happened minus the lawn mowing part? Draw me a line in the sand please.
I think it is illegal to bribe a ref because you are cheating all the investors of the sport. But either way, this is getting off topic.
What it all comes down to is this: Blizzard owns all accounts (that includes all items and characters on the account). Therefore it is illegal to sell accounts for money without Blizzard's consent and that's all there is to it. Your lawn mowing scenario is just a way of wording in such a way that it sounds legit, but in the end you are still selling the item for money, which is against the rules. True, there is absolutely no way for Blizzard to prevent this sort of "under the table" transaction, but it is still cheating and detrimental to the game. I think that although Blizzard will never be able to prevent a kid from selling his classmates D3 items, they should do more to take down the big boys (ebay, large internet shops like d2legit.com etc...)
Get real, folks, the diablo you all knew is dead, a few years ago i said right here in this forum that D3 had a pretty good chance of being blizzard first bust (i was flamed to death ofc), and what you know, its not even beta and its already looking that way.
When you trade an item for $$$, make sure that the other party gives you something(even if it's useless garbage). Blizzard could be checking all the trades where player 1 gives an item to player 2, while player 2 doesn't give anything back.
LOLWUT?
''I dont care people sell items on ebay unless its legit''
That right there is pure BS. It is like buying a Sonata Arctica, or Dragonfoce CD, and sell the songs for 1$ each...
Anyway, people that sell items on ebay should be banned, and their internet taken away.
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EULAs hold no true meaning until they have been tried in court. The courts are becoming increasingly aware of the loss of rights written into these pieces of legal crap and, when suits have been brought, the courts have been siding with the consumer. Take a read here: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2704,2243185,00.asp .
Blizzard's WOW EULA takes away your right to the courts and a jury trial and forces you into arbitration; although, I'm sure a judge would find this unenforceable as it is really to the detriment of the consumer and places Blizzard (and all other companies writing these kinds of EULAs) in a superior position.
To the post topic, I don't see the problem with morons who choose to pay real money for virtual items. I prefer to find my items through good old fashioned gameplay, but people should have the right to sell these items for money if they so desire and stupid people should have a right to purchase them.
LOLWUT?
''I dont care people sell items on ebay unless its legit''
That right there is pure BS. It is like buying a Sonata Arctica, or Dragonfoce CD, and sell the songs for 1$ each...
Anyway, people that sell items on ebay should be banned, and their internet taken away.
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That's not the same thing. That would be an equal analogy if I made copies of the GAME and sold them. Blizzard allows players to trade loot, without a monetary charge, how does it harm Blizzard if I choose to give you real money for the trade. As long as I am playing with a legally purchased version of the game, Blizzard has lost nothing.
Items on Ebay and Items selling websites = Bots in the game, a lot = BAD
I won't buy D3 unless I'm sure they got the problems of duping, hacking, and ebaying under control. The D2 economy is unacceptable to me. I'd even prefer the ultimate solution of making all items soulbound if there is no other way. We pay a monthly fee for WoW in large part to police the economy. If there's is no monthly fee, they may have to just remove the Diablo economy in total. I'd be fine with that.
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i think its waste of money but if they wanna do it, well what can you do?
http://xinube.mybrute.com/
Yeah but b.net has no in-game mechanism for buying/selling items for actual cash, which is something that exists out of the game. Ebay also exists out of the game. So my analogy actually does make perfect sense.
You are right that little can be done by Blizzard to prevent it, but it's still wrong. It is ebay's responsibility to make sure people aren't selling things illegallly on their site, something which they don't do either because Blizzard never pressured them or because they know it's bringing in more ebay users. Either way, as far as the game goes it is cheating. It's kiind of like paying off referees in sport. You shouldn't buy your way to success in a game, it's against the rules.
(and I don't meen buying players, because that exists within the sport)
There is no law against it.
etslayer says:
"It's kiind of like paying off referees in sport. You shouldn't buy your way to success in a game.."
How do you figure?
There are still item/level requisites on most of the stuff I see being sold.
So, in fact you have to have gotten somewhere in order to use what you are buying..
It is not legal, you are selling blizzard's property and undermining the user agreement.
so what if there are level requirements? How is that relevant in any way? You still bought the items, which is cheating.
Correction.
Nowhere did I say I buy D2 items off of ebay.
I don't use ebay. A lot of people up there are ripp-offs and I prefer to stay away incase I'm one of the few poor fools who get duped.
Learn to read buddy.
And when I say "when you buy from ebay..." I am speaking hypothetically, I didn't mean to accuse you of ebaying. But apparently you would in theory, seeing as the only reason you don't is because the items are overpriced...
What if I mowed your lawn, you paid me 20 bucks for it, then later on I gave you a sweet item I found? Or what if all that happened minus the lawn mowing part? Draw me a line in the sand please.
What it all comes down to is this: Blizzard owns all accounts (that includes all items and characters on the account). Therefore it is illegal to sell accounts for money without Blizzard's consent and that's all there is to it. Your lawn mowing scenario is just a way of wording in such a way that it sounds legit, but in the end you are still selling the item for money, which is against the rules. True, there is absolutely no way for Blizzard to prevent this sort of "under the table" transaction, but it is still cheating and detrimental to the game. I think that although Blizzard will never be able to prevent a kid from selling his classmates D3 items, they should do more to take down the big boys (ebay, large internet shops like d2legit.com etc...)
oops I double posted that sorry.
''I dont care people sell items on ebay unless its legit''
That right there is pure BS. It is like buying a Sonata Arctica, or Dragonfoce CD, and sell the songs for 1$ each...
Anyway, people that sell items on ebay should be banned, and their internet taken away.
________________________
Blizzard's WOW EULA takes away your right to the courts and a jury trial and forces you into arbitration; although, I'm sure a judge would find this unenforceable as it is really to the detriment of the consumer and places Blizzard (and all other companies writing these kinds of EULAs) in a superior position.
To the post topic, I don't see the problem with morons who choose to pay real money for virtual items. I prefer to find my items through good old fashioned gameplay, but people should have the right to sell these items for money if they so desire and stupid people should have a right to purchase them.
That's not the same thing. That would be an equal analogy if I made copies of the GAME and sold them. Blizzard allows players to trade loot, without a monetary charge, how does it harm Blizzard if I choose to give you real money for the trade. As long as I am playing with a legally purchased version of the game, Blizzard has lost nothing.
I wish they would use the IN GAME CURRENCY instead of trading items (like in D2). It makes the game so horrible.
I won't buy D3 unless I'm sure they got the problems of duping, hacking, and ebaying under control. The D2 economy is unacceptable to me. I'd even prefer the ultimate solution of making all items soulbound if there is no other way. We pay a monthly fee for WoW in large part to police the economy. If there's is no monthly fee, they may have to just remove the Diablo economy in total. I'd be fine with that.