Oh they'll have PvP I'm sure, it'll just be more controlled.
well yea. i know theyre gonna have pvp. im just saying theyre not gonna super duper perfect it like what theyre doing in wow. theyre prbly just gonna have it upon d3's release, then not update it for like a year, haha.
well yea. i know theyre gonna have pvp. im just saying theyre not gonna super duper perfect it like what theyre doing in wow. theyre prbly just gonna have it upon d3's release, then not update it for like a year, haha.
Probably hopefully they keep us interested and then a expansion pack soon after.
Oh they'll have PvP I'm sure, it'll just be more controlled.
PvP is not the same as PKing mate.
I play wow, and I used to play D2, and LOD.
I hate wow pvp compared to the PK options available in Diablo games, WoW is shit. Just because someone is the same race as me doesnt mean I am their fucking friend. If they piss me off I want them dead. /Duel system is retarded.
HC diablo PKing was final, there was no best of 3, or reduels, what was done was done. if you died BL, go remake.
And IMO the fact that hardcore was really hardcore gaming, was awesome.
@ the idiot's post before about Player vs computer being better because computers dont have "feelings" and they "drop loot"....
If I or alot of other gamers cared about peoples "feelings" they would go play Hello Kitty Island Adventure, not Diablo.
how about rewarding PKers in a way similar to what they do at WWW.BMPK.US
The most recent kill is listed on their banner for all to see, until it gets knocked off by the newest kill.
This way hardcore doesnt lose the finality of dead is dead... forever
and PKERS get rewarded for the way they play the game, just as PVErs do.
PvP is not the same as PKing mate.
I play wow, and I used to play D2, and LOD.
I hate wow pvp compared to the PK options available in Diablo games, WoW is shit. Just because someone is the same race as me doesnt mean I am their fucking friend. If they piss me off I want them dead. /Duel system is retarded.
HC diablo PKing was final, there was no best of 3, or reduels, what was done was done. if you died BL, go remake.
And IMO the fact that hardcore was really hardcore gaming, was awesome.
@ the idiot's post before about Player vs computer being better because computers dont have "feelings" and they "drop loot"....
If I or alot of other gamers cared about peoples "feelings" they would go play Hello Kitty Island Adventure, not Diablo.
how about rewarding PKers in a way similar to what they do at WWW.BMPK.US
The most recent kill is listed on their banner for all to see, until it gets knocked off by the newest kill.
This way hardcore doesnt lose the finality of dead is dead... forever
and PKERS get rewarded for the way they play the game, just as PVErs do.
The guy was talking about PvP so I addressed PvP... PKing is lame and only feeds on the weak and unprepared. What's wrong with PvP? The only difference is both people have to agree.
Without Player VS Computer, PKers wouldn't even have any good items. What does PKing contribute? Misery to people who die and a e-boner for PKers who like to kill lower levels.
I agree PKing should be in Hardcore but it doesn't really have place in softcore.
Imagine instead of PKing there was friendly fire? Lol.
Or what if you could accidentally shove someone off a cliff? Heh. xD
And of course you could always lure a crap load of dudes to someone, that's a classic.
I used to love crowding that cow portal, saying it's safe. Must be painful. ;o
The guy was talking about PvP so I addressed PvP... PKing is lame and only feeds on the weak and unprepared. What's wrong with PvP? The only difference is both people have to agree.
Without Player VS Computer, PKers wouldn't even have any good items. What does PKing contribute? Misery to people who die and a e-boner for PKers who like to kill lower levels.
I agree PKing should be in Hardcore but it doesn't really have place in softcore.
Its simple PKing makes hardcore, in fact just that. hardcore.
diablo isnt a particularly hard game.
and with its loose restrictions on mods such as chicken or maphack. it made dying to a monster quite hard, especially in a party with oak sage, and battleorders. even without such hacks, no cooldown on potions. the ability to portal back to town, made dying basically only possible if your net crapped out(I am talking about the few skilled players in the game that did manage to get top 10 of their class in hardcore ladders)
dont give me shit about elitism, because hardcore was elitist. it was good to be able to say prove who was the bigger nerd or keyboard warrior
Its simple PKing makes hardcore, in fact just that. hardcore.
diablo isnt a particularly hard game.
and with its loose restrictions on mods such as chicken or maphack. it made dying to a monster quite hard, especially in a party with oak sage, and battleorders. even without such hacks, no cooldown on potions. the ability to portal back to town, made dying basically only possible if your net crapped out(I am talking about the few skilled players in the game that did manage to get top 10 of their class in hardcore ladders)
dont give me shit about elitism, because hardcore was elitist. it was good to be able to say prove who was the bigger nerd or keyboard warrior
I'm not going to give you any crap about any of that. Harcore is for elitists. That's its purpose. To try to prove how good you are. That's why PKing should be allowed there for sure.
thats one of the things that set the decent players aside and stepped up the competition 100% correct what u say there.
at least in the hardcore community u can pest control. and its nice to police your own game. if sum1 annoys you or u pk a kid and they wont return if they cant handle it - better for the quality of the hc community. it remains strong with smart players and only the best.
Early EARLY diablo 2.... I can't remember if it was the expansion or a patch....
Also before teleports would despawn it was chronic... run down with them, drop a TP and go hostile... made hardcore REALLY hardcore >.<
There are still many glitches in the pking system. FOr example, you can cast a spell at someone, tp, then hostile just before your spell hits and they will get nailed with it. I have been PKed in HC many times like that, including just last week.
I am fine with removing such things. Unless they make combat longer+more involving. (Ie, not two hammers your dead.)
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I'm not going to give you any crap about any of that. Harcore is for elitists. That's its purpose. To try to prove how good you are. That's why PKing should be allowed there for sure.
Only the strong survive.
Or those that use glitches. After losing my Zon last week (Complete with gryphons, sojx2, etheral tstrokes.... /sigh), i am fine with removing the hostile system for something different. Not removing it completly, but the system has too many bugs.
There are still many glitches in the pking system. FOr example, you can cast a spell at someone, tp, then hostile just before your spell hits and they will get nailed with it. I have been PKed in HC many times like that, including just last week.
I am fine with removing such things. Unless they make combat longer+more involving. (Ie, not two hammers your dead.)
Or those that use glitches. After losing my Zon last week (Complete with gryphons, sojx2, etheral tstrokes.... /sigh), i am fine with removing the hostile system for something different. Not removing it completly, but the system has too many bugs.
Oh I have no doubt they'll improve the hostile system if it's included. It will be near bug free, which will make glitch abusers mad.
Oh I have no doubt they'll improve the hostile system if it's included. It will be near bug free, which will make glitch abusers mad.
I barely think bugs or glitches are worth mentioning, Blizzards customer service and development, patching of content has greatly improved since Diablo 1 or 2 or even LoD.
I am sure Blizzard will stay on top of programs to abuse in game mechanics. But still i hope the hostile system "improvements" you speak of doesn't mean making diablo 3 into a care bear game.
Even if they don't remove tppk, or way point PK, or the likes of that in a legit manner. It sounds like its going to be really hard for pkers to find noobs to kill, if the game is only 4 or 5 people in a game...
I imagine anyone that plays the game semi seriously would have 3 friends to fill up a game, leaving no room for some random to join and kill you.
I barely think bugs or glitches are worth mentioning, Blizzards customer service and development, patching of content has greatly improved since Diablo 1 or 2 or even LoD.
I am sure Blizzard will stay on top of programs to abuse in game mechanics. But still i hope the hostile system "improvements" you speak of doesn't mean making diablo 3 into a care bear game.
Even if they don't remove tppk, or way point PK, or the likes of that in a legit manner. It sounds like its going to be really hard for pkers to find noobs to kill, if the game is only 4 or 5 people in a game...
I imagine anyone that plays the game semi seriously would have 3 friends to fill up a game, leaving no room for some random to join and kill you.
I don't care if they leave PKing in or not, but they'll probably take it out for Softcore because there is more benefits of taking it out than there is of leaving it in.
Hostile system is pretty crap as it is now.. I mean what other point in that is other than make people leave the game and find a new game where to exp safely? (Talking HC here now) Only thing that kills you is tppk if even that, I hardly party with anyone at least no one very high level.
So imo PK could be removed from game since it's pointless.. it doesn't kill you it will make u go to town or change game which is boring. Things were different when you could insta hostile in town and go immidiately back from wp.. but if u ran your own wp's you were safe.
Hostile system is pretty crap as it is now.. I mean what other point in that is other than make people leave the game and find a new game where to exp safely? (Talking HC here now) Only thing that kills you is tppk if even that, I hardly party with anyone at least no one very high level.
So imo PK could be removed from game since it's pointless.. it doesn't kill you it will make u go to town or change game which is boring. Things were different when you could insta hostile in town and go immidiately back from wp.. but if u ran your own wp's you were safe.
This is only true because diablo 2 is a dead game, noone plays it, noone cares about it.
Back when diablo had millions of users logged on, PKer's ruled supreme and were almost in every 2nd game. and once the users started quitting the game and finding new ones, the pkers left too. there was just not enough people left to kill.
i've tried playing diablo again since i quit, but with such a small community, its just boring. i imagine with diablo 3 and the users that will log on for it, pker's and griefers will have a much easier time doing what they do best, unless blizzard makes diablo 3 a lets hold hands and help decard find some kiddies to show his cane.
u play lod hc, how can you die in it? you must be a bad player, terribad. never been pked in all my time playing hc or the short time of hc lod. glitches, bugs and hack abuse. and i was playing since jul 96.
Oh yeah, your right. I suck because i got tppk'd (While fighting Baal pretty much solo) by some idiot who couldn't fight me like a real person. I love HC, i have played it my whole D2 career. There is just so much more achievement.
And i actually dont believe you, unless you play in your little private freind-list bubble.
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well yea. i know theyre gonna have pvp. im just saying theyre not gonna super duper perfect it like what theyre doing in wow. theyre prbly just gonna have it upon d3's release, then not update it for like a year, haha.
Probably hopefully they keep us interested and then a expansion pack soon after.
PvP is not the same as PKing mate.
I play wow, and I used to play D2, and LOD.
I hate wow pvp compared to the PK options available in Diablo games, WoW is shit. Just because someone is the same race as me doesnt mean I am their fucking friend. If they piss me off I want them dead. /Duel system is retarded.
HC diablo PKing was final, there was no best of 3, or reduels, what was done was done. if you died BL, go remake.
And IMO the fact that hardcore was really hardcore gaming, was awesome.
@ the idiot's post before about Player vs computer being better because computers dont have "feelings" and they "drop loot"....
If I or alot of other gamers cared about peoples "feelings" they would go play Hello Kitty Island Adventure, not Diablo.
how about rewarding PKers in a way similar to what they do at WWW.BMPK.US
The most recent kill is listed on their banner for all to see, until it gets knocked off by the newest kill.
This way hardcore doesnt lose the finality of dead is dead... forever
and PKERS get rewarded for the way they play the game, just as PVErs do.
The guy was talking about PvP so I addressed PvP... PKing is lame and only feeds on the weak and unprepared. What's wrong with PvP? The only difference is both people have to agree.
Without Player VS Computer, PKers wouldn't even have any good items. What does PKing contribute? Misery to people who die and a e-boner for PKers who like to kill lower levels.
I agree PKing should be in Hardcore but it doesn't really have place in softcore.
Softcore has no meaning because you can't PK?... :confused:
I was under the assumption people also enjoyed playing together.
Or what if you could accidentally shove someone off a cliff? Heh. xD
And of course you could always lure a crap load of dudes to someone, that's a classic.
I used to love crowding that cow portal, saying it's safe. Must be painful. ;o
Its simple PKing makes hardcore, in fact just that. hardcore.
diablo isnt a particularly hard game.
and with its loose restrictions on mods such as chicken or maphack. it made dying to a monster quite hard, especially in a party with oak sage, and battleorders. even without such hacks, no cooldown on potions. the ability to portal back to town, made dying basically only possible if your net crapped out(I am talking about the few skilled players in the game that did manage to get top 10 of their class in hardcore ladders)
dont give me shit about elitism, because hardcore was elitist. it was good to be able to say prove who was the bigger nerd or keyboard warrior
I'm not going to give you any crap about any of that. Harcore is for elitists. That's its purpose. To try to prove how good you are. That's why PKing should be allowed there for sure.
Only the strong survive.
Or the ones that got there first with uber items?
There are still many glitches in the pking system. FOr example, you can cast a spell at someone, tp, then hostile just before your spell hits and they will get nailed with it. I have been PKed in HC many times like that, including just last week.
I am fine with removing such things. Unless they make combat longer+more involving. (Ie, not two hammers your dead.)
Or those that use glitches. After losing my Zon last week (Complete with gryphons, sojx2, etheral tstrokes.... /sigh), i am fine with removing the hostile system for something different. Not removing it completly, but the system has too many bugs.
Oh I have no doubt they'll improve the hostile system if it's included. It will be near bug free, which will make glitch abusers mad.
I barely think bugs or glitches are worth mentioning, Blizzards customer service and development, patching of content has greatly improved since Diablo 1 or 2 or even LoD.
I am sure Blizzard will stay on top of programs to abuse in game mechanics. But still i hope the hostile system "improvements" you speak of doesn't mean making diablo 3 into a care bear game.
Even if they don't remove tppk, or way point PK, or the likes of that in a legit manner. It sounds like its going to be really hard for pkers to find noobs to kill, if the game is only 4 or 5 people in a game...
I imagine anyone that plays the game semi seriously would have 3 friends to fill up a game, leaving no room for some random to join and kill you.
I don't care if they leave PKing in or not, but they'll probably take it out for Softcore because there is more benefits of taking it out than there is of leaving it in.
So imo PK could be removed from game since it's pointless.. it doesn't kill you it will make u go to town or change game which is boring. Things were different when you could insta hostile in town and go immidiately back from wp.. but if u ran your own wp's you were safe.
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This is only true because diablo 2 is a dead game, noone plays it, noone cares about it.
Back when diablo had millions of users logged on, PKer's ruled supreme and were almost in every 2nd game. and once the users started quitting the game and finding new ones, the pkers left too. there was just not enough people left to kill.
i've tried playing diablo again since i quit, but with such a small community, its just boring. i imagine with diablo 3 and the users that will log on for it, pker's and griefers will have a much easier time doing what they do best, unless blizzard makes diablo 3 a lets hold hands and help decard find some kiddies to show his cane.
I agree. But you forgot plan D: wait for him and pwn his face.
Oh yeah, your right. I suck because i got tppk'd (While fighting Baal pretty much solo) by some idiot who couldn't fight me like a real person. I love HC, i have played it my whole D2 career. There is just so much more achievement.
And i actually dont believe you, unless you play in your little private freind-list bubble.