I think Blizzard should really sit up and take notice of what the fans want from this installment of Diablo.
There are currently 2 petitions online and the most current results are:
500 FOR the more vivid, contrasted, WOW, "colorful" graphics
and
20 000+ for the more grittier, shadowy, more Diablo-esque graphics
That says a lot in itself.
Personally I never played WOW much as I did find it too cartoon-ish from the start. I was crazy about the entire Diablo series and played them all ad nauseum and always found the graphics imersive and very skillfully done.
I think what Diablo 3 is missing is possibly the influence that Blizzard North(Flagship) brought to the table. Looking at Hellgate: London you will notice that gritty, shadowy factor in its graphics that I feel should be apparent in Diablo 3.
Blizzard must remember that this is Diablo 3 and NOT Worl of Warcraft 2.
The new one is more detailed and more realistic??? WHAT???
Sorry but I will stop right here. That sentence alone proves that youre only arguing because youre a fanboy who feels insulted by critics and NOTHING, not even a direct comparison with WoW graphics will change your ignorant mind.
Jesus christ...
Jesus the irony....
I'm sorry but in your emo fueled rant you come off as a die hard conservative fan boy... theres the "blizzard can do nothing wrong" fan boys who you are complaining about and then there is the "don't do anything to change my beloved D1/2" fan boy... which is what you are.
And you are indeed the one who is ignorant... man the hypocrisy in this post is astounding.
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"If we're actually making the game worse with no other reason than to be different from WoW, then it's a bad choice." - Jay Wilson (D3 lead designer)
Uhm, I hate to burst your bubble, but that barbarian youre showing in that D3 screenshot is the female version. I would agree if it was the male version, but its not. period.
And that proves how stupid it looks when even guys like you think its the male version.
I agree it looks almost exactly like the male artwork. But look at the real male version in the game. It doesnt look anything like the artwork. It looks CARTOONISH.
That's the Male
That's the Female
For God's sake, show me when did i say other wise,
I was clearly and explictly talking about the ARMOR when i showed the Female barb.
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And the only thing that looks cartoony here is this
Anyway u missed the point, im not saying d2 looks better than d3 from a graphical standpoint, it obviously looks nicer
im trying to illustrate the artistic direction overall isnt staying true to diablo, its obviously INFLUENCED more by warcraft than d2, imo KEEP THE GAMES SEPARATE! as much as possible PLZ
You all think this way cause D2 is a freaking 2D game and War3 is 3D, that's clearly the reason to all this mess, the only resemblance between D3 and WC3 is that they are BOTH 3D GAMES.
But D3 and WC3 are separate, not every stylized game is the same, the market is filled with stylized game and each one of them is unique, just like D3 is now with its pastel colors and detailed models and textures.
which is WRONG!
Sorry, but we are not the ones who made Diablo, Blizz are the only ones who have the right to say what diablo should be and what it shouldn't be.
They are the only ones how have the right to define what the new diablo will be exactly, no one else has that right, because none of you is on the Dev team nor worked on the development of any Diablo games of even had any hand at how diablo looks, it is all up to them and you have to respect that.
Games are not a democracy, games are a vision and choice of the game creator, you are not part of the Dev team and you don't own shares in the company to tell them what they need to do, fans think to higly of themsleves these days, if you like the game you buy it, if you don't then just don't buy it, it is an open market, simple as that, and it works with all other comapnies.
Many other companies are successful without listening to their fans as much as Blizz do, and i have to say with the reaction many people made that Blizzwas better off doing like other companies ( 99% ) and relsesing the game when it is done without showing us anything in the alpha stage of development.
Blizz is an exception and people are starting to take it for granted, this will soon backfire at us, they might stop listening and releasing any news about their games like eveybody else does.
You are the ones you ar backstabbing the company by not trying to understand their new vision and reasons for change, if there is anyone at fault here it is the whining fans.
Judging from Diablo sales ( in millions ) that number is a minority not a majority really, all those satisfied with the new Diablo 3 are the ones you don't hear whining ( except me and few others who got fed of all the whining and decidied to counter it )
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"This place is thick with the stench of ghouls"
Said the Barbarian before proceeding to slaughter everyone
I personally think that all the diablo fans are being too picky about it. I am too a HUGE diablo fan and had played many many years but I think that the new graphics are fine and I trust Blizzard. Blizzard also had never failed us with their games so all those complainers have to stop whining over color.
Yeah, nice montage you did there. At least this time you wrote in it that its the female char instead of posting it right under the male artwork, comparing it with it.
Again i don't know how many time i need to say that, the ARMOR WAS THE POINT, they were both wearing the same ARMOR, what is there that isn't clear about that ?
I only defend what Diablo stands for. I want to keep what made Diablo so awesome, what it was known for. I don't want Blizzard (Note Blizzard, not Blizzard North) to assimilate it into their Warcraft style.
I know its their franchise now, but its still unfair to modify it that much.
Its their franchise, they do what they want with it, they didn't ask for volunteers to defend the so called spirit of diablo every body is out crying about, there is no such thing when it comes to the looks, what defined Diablo is the gameplay elements primarily and before anything else.
And that WoW/WC phobia is really becoming an epidemic, i hate WoW it but i don't complain about that in every post, because there is no reason to do so.
Ferrari for example stands for Ferrari Red, for passion, for fast cars, for beautiful cars, for expensive cars, for awesome engine sound. What do you think would happen if Volkswagen would buy em and make cars like the Golf or Passat all of the sudden under the Ferrari tag and axe the previous style? People wouldnt like it at all. Of course there would be the VW fanboys that would support this change, like you are doing right now.
If Ferrari did this then they would do it for a good reason and won't care what people think, people would still buy their cars for their QUALITY not for any other reason, and those who didn't like the change would have to simply go get the car they want elsewhere :rolleyes:
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"This place is thick with the stench of ghouls"
Said the Barbarian before proceeding to slaughter everyone
For God's sake, show me when did i say other wise,
I was clearly and explictly talking about the ARMOR when i showed the Female barb.
look at my pic moron i wasnt comparing the female!
And the only thing that looks cartoony here is this
thats because it a fuckin RENDER! it doesnt represent the INGAME model which is what im comparing!
You all think this way cause D2 is a freaking 2D game and War3 is 3D, that's clearly the reason to all this mess, the only resemblance between D3 and WC3 is that they are BOTH 3D GAMES.
But D3 and WC3 are separate, not every stylized game is the same, the market is filled with stylized game and each one of them is unique, just like D3 is now with its pastel colors and detailed models and textures.
no shit its 3d, but no its not the reason for this mess! even if d3 was turned into 2d sprites in its current form it would still look like a darkish 2d WoW! or at best, a warcraft mod for diablo! there are numerous pics on these forums showcasing games that are 3d yet look nothing like WoW. stylized does not have to be gay handpainted backgrounds and unrealistic proportions theres a reason why so many people are refrencing WoW on this topic, im not alone on this, the game spurs up images of warcraft. whether ppl think thats a good thing or not shows their true attitude toward the franchise, that is that they either hate it and would like it to change, or they are OK with it and therefore just want a good hack n' slash and arent as passonate about the diablo franchise.
Sorry, but we are not the ones who made Diablo, Blizz are the only ones who have the right to say what diablo should be and what it shouldn't be.
They are the only ones how have the right to define what the new diablo will be exactly, no one else has that right, because none of you is on the Dev team nor worked on the development of any Diablo games of even had any hand at how diablo looks, it is all up to them and you have to respect that.
Games are not a democracy, games are a vision and choice of the game creator, you are not part of the Dev team and you don't own shares in the company to tell them what they need to do, fans think to higly of themsleves these days, if you like the game you buy it, if you don't then just don't buy it, it is an open market, simple as that, and it works with all other comapnies.
Many other companies are successful without listening to their fans as much as Blizz do, and i have to say with the reaction many people made that Blizzwas better off doing like other companies ( 99% ) and relsesing the game when it is done without showing us anything in the alpha stage of development.
Blizz is an exception and people are starting to take it for granted, this will soon backfire at us, they might stop listening and releasing any news about their games like eveybody else does.
You are the ones you ar backstabbing the company by not trying to understand their new vision and reasons for change, if there is anyone at fault here it is the whining fans.
well then its lucky i use the prefix IMO!!! btw that means IN MY OPINION!!! wow how sad it is arguing with such ignorance.
look at my pic moron i wasnt comparing the female!
And i wasn't talking to you, i was talking to coolhund, go check the quote before making yourself look bad.
thats because it a fuckin RENDER! it doesnt represent the INGAME model which is what im comparing!
Let me enlighten you, the artist that made the D2 models EXPLICTLY said that he used the 3D models in the pictures to make the 2D sprites in the game, don't tell me you thought they were hand drawn, do you really know anything about grahpics and video game making ?
no shit its 3d, but no its not the reason for this mess! even if d3 was turned into 2d sprites in its current form it would still look like a darkish 2d WoW! or at best, a warcraft mod for diablo! there are numerous pics on these forums showcasing games that are 3d yet look nothing like WoW.
D3 looks nothing like WoW, and all the Diablo clones out there look like each other, and sadly that's what you want to do with D3 too, good luck destroying the unique look of the game.
stylized does not have to be gay handpainted backgrounds and unrealistic proportions
There is nothing unrealistic about the in-game Barbarian model, go study some anatomy.
theres a reason why so many people are refrencing WoW on this topic, im not alone on this, the game spurs up images of warcraft. whether ppl think thats a good thing or not shows their true attitude toward the franchise, that is that they either hate it and would like it to change, or they are OK with it and therefore just want a good hack n' slash and arent as passonate about the diablo franchise.
There is on reason to be fanatic about Diablo, that acting like fanboys, all that matters is that it turns out to be a great game like all the other games Blizz made ( without any help from the games fanboys ), it is as simple as that.
well then its lucky i use the prefix IMO!!! btw that means IN MY OPINION!!! wow how sad it is arguing with such ignorance.
There is a great difference between telling a company your opinion about THIER game, and telling them ( you don't know anything about Diablo, let us show you how it should be made ), that's not an opnion, that' being rude.
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"This place is thick with the stench of ghouls"
Said the Barbarian before proceeding to slaughter everyone
Please stop with the over sized images and font. I cant read it anymore. Its straining my eyes... sheesh.. The bigger you type dosnt reanforce your statement at all its just really really annoying.
Anyway I wasnt even talking to you after the first paragraph, but still you showed your true ignorance by answering anyway. GJ!
Calling people ignorant doesn't help your argument really, it works against it obviously
And you didn't name or quote anyone else, it was clearly aimed at me. :mad:
Both wearing the same armor??? Might wanna take another look
Both armors have large shoulder pads and spikes which is what you are COMPLAINING ABOUT for no reason other than it reminds you of WoW, well not everyone is the same, many other countless games and movies both fanstasy and sci-fi has armor with large shoulder pads, it is just that you hate WoW style so much that it can't be helped.
Wow, a lot of ignorance here. There no such thing when it comes to the looks? Graphics are no part of atmosphere and style? Even the designers of this mess would smack you for that sentenc
And you know better than D3 art team, i really have nothing to say here, i'm really amazed
Ive been playing WoW for 4 years and I know when something looks similar to it. In one screen shot the whole handrailing is completely ripped off of WoW, not to mention the candles and ground textures. I dont know if you ever played WoW, but if you didnt you should STFU and if you did, youre showing your ignorance again.
I don't care iff you have been playing it for 100 years really, that's not the point, you cearly hate its style to the guts and that expanded to any thing even slightly stylized like D3, that's showing pretty clear.
I wonder why people bought Ferraris in the 80s then, because there was no such thing as quality in Ferraris back then.
That's not the point, if the company changed their production line to different type of cars and people complained they wouldn't listen to them unless there is a financial loss, which is not relevnt to our case here since eveyone is oging to buy the game either it is changed or not.
Please if you like obhjectivity this much, stick to it :rolleyes:
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"This place is thick with the stench of ghouls"
Said the Barbarian before proceeding to slaughter everyone
Hunter Wolf how do you know he dosnt know better then the art team? I think about 17000+ people agree with him. I didnt really read a lot of your stuff since all you seem to do is make it bigger front size because I guess the bigger your writing the more true it is. He isnt also the only one who wants the shoulders changed. Also if you played a game for 100years and then started playing another one Im pretty sure you would of being quite annoyed by that art style and be looking for something new.
As for the car thing....I havnt read all that far back but im guessing he was referring to buying it because it looks good and yes people will buy an item on how good it looks so if people prefer a gritter look in D3 it would sell more. It also seems like a lot of people who are defending blizzard dont even care how it looks they are just being fanatic fan boys.
Hunter Wolf, no one is questioning the technical talent of the Blizzard art team or saying that it wouldn't fit another game universe. It just doesn't fit what we think of as the Diablo universe. What's so hard to understand about that?
u already said this, then i gave examples as to how they DO look alike. maybe instead of blatantly shitting on my opinion, you could back yours up. (remember you said NOTHING like WoW)
and all the Diablo clones out there look like each other, and sadly that's what you want to do with D3 too, good luck destroying the unique look of the game.
i dont even know what your basing this statment on, my whole argument is about making the game look unique and original within the realm the series is based on.
There is nothing unrealistic about the in-game Barbarian model, go study some anatomy.
i never said he was anatomically incorrect, when i spoke of proportions i was refering to various objects in the environment. somewhere a developer explains how this deliberate styilization is supposed to enhance the objects, and lend to an epic emotion or some crap.
I would bet anyone to completely shut up about this issue and destroy my forum name if it turned out that Blizzard wasn't using a modified World of Warcraft engine.
Hunter Wolf, no one is questioning the technical talent of the Blizzard art team or saying that it wouldn't fit another game universe. It just doesn't fit what we think of as the Diablo universe. What's so hard to understand about that?
Who says what it fits or what it doesn't, isn't that originally the job of the art team not the fans ?
u already said this, then i gave examples as to how they DO look alike. maybe instead of blatantly shitting on my opinion, you could back yours up. (remember you said NOTHING like WoW)
That's the main problem, we have two 3D games with stylized 3D grahpics, but that doesn't mean in any way that they look identical.
I clearly said that they are slightly alike because they are both stylized, but different because each one of them is stylized in a completely different way with completely different textures and color palettes.
i never said he was anatomically incorrect, when i spoke of proportions i was refering to various objects in the environment. somewhere a developer explains how this deliberate styilization is supposed to enhance the objects, and lend to an epic emotion or some crap.
ok, good we agree the anatomy is not cartoony like some say it is, as for the surroundings it is slightly stylized yes, i see no big deal really, you will play this game from a zoomed out view like in the Demo in which everything looked fine, only when you zoom in too much that things start looking a little wierd.
And if the art Dev team wants it that way i guess they know better than us.
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"This place is thick with the stench of ghouls"
Said the Barbarian before proceeding to slaughter everyone
It's funny how you somehow have to have be a game dev to understand a mood or a feeling.
In Diablo II, they were trying to create a dark feeling, and if the fans hadn't felt that feeling, then the art team would have failed, agreed? But no, they succeeded brilliantly. Many times during the game, I was scared out of my pants.
So obviously the art team, by their very work, is trying to help ordinary gamers understand artistic concepts like mood.
So when we don't feel that mood NOW, the same mood the art team in previous games TRIED TO HELP US FEEL, we're dumb and can't understand? GTFO. We many not know the technicalities behind color construction, palette, and so on - BUT WE KNOW WHAT WE DAMNED WELL LIKE.
YOU CAN DISAGREE, BUT STOP TRYING TO TELL US IT'S STUPID TO HAVE A CONTRARY OPINION. GO FIND SOME OTHER BOARD WITH YES-MEN.
GTFO. We many not know the technicalities behind color construction, palette, and so on - BUT WE KNOW WHAT WE DAMNED WELL LIKE.
Take it easy man :rolleyes:
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It's funny how you somehow have to have be a game dev to understand a mood or a feeling.
All i'm saying is that they already know all that you saying, you talk as if they don't know how D1 and D2 look like or never saw them before.
In Diablo II, they were trying to create a dark feeling, and if the fans hadn't felt that feeling, then the art team would have failed, agreed? But no, they succeeded brilliantly. Many times during the game, I was scared out of my pants.
Try to remove all the monsters from the game and play it, then talk about getting scared, there is nothing to get scared about from darkness in an isometric game.
So obviously the art team, by their very work, is trying to help ordinary gamers understand artistic concepts like mood.
So when we don't feel that mood NOW, the same mood the art team in previous games TRIED TO HELP US FEEL, we're dumb and can't understand?
That's not what they said, what they said was that they TESTED many options including copying the Diablo old look ( up to three options ) and FOUND the current one to be the best, so how come you know better ?
YOU CAN DISAGREE, BUT STOP TRYING TO TELL US IT'S STUPID TO HAVE A CONTRARY OPINION. GO FIND SOME OTHER BOARD WITH YES-MEN.
I'm not asking you to agree with me, i'm asking you to provide valid reasons for your opinion that's all, i didn't say it is stupid to have a contrary opinion.
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"This place is thick with the stench of ghouls"
Said the Barbarian before proceeding to slaughter everyone
That's fair if they tested. See I would also shut up if Blizzard, in a grand post, explained why this slightly stylized look was needed for technical reasons (like only the top 20% of the computers would have graphical capabilities to play it), and they needed to compromise so that everyone had a chance to play it.
But if they changed the whole feel of the game just so that a couple of Chinese WoW-gold farmers can buy XX number of copies, I would be pretty pissed (like 80% of computers can play it). I just want a good explanation about the technical issues so I can get educated. I want to be able to appreciate the compromises they made between graphics and gameplay.
They mentioned they went through at least 3 visual redesigns. Why don't they reveal them to the community? And after all, if you do all that testing without the community's knowledge and understanding, you take a risk like they did here of a little fan backlash.
I am FOR the d3 art petition but I don't want blizzard doing more work that might not be needed, such as changing the art direction and thus making D3 take longer to come out. The gameplay demo looked great, I would still buy it if it was like that. There are many possibilities why that gameplay was so colorful and such.
One reason could be is that it's part of the gameplay to help you get immersed. As you progress seeing the effects of what the evil has done to the land will get you more immersed and that might be why it was more colorful in that gameplay, it was in Act 1.
I have my trust in blizzard but I wish they can do something about how it looks so much like WoW/Warcraft. I hate how wow looks and thats probably why I never got into it. Warcraft 3 in the other hand is alright, I love the gameplay. Just look at this edited image and see how bad it can look like WoW.
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There are currently 2 petitions online and the most current results are:
500 FOR the more vivid, contrasted, WOW, "colorful" graphics
and
20 000+ for the more grittier, shadowy, more Diablo-esque graphics
That says a lot in itself.
Personally I never played WOW much as I did find it too cartoon-ish from the start. I was crazy about the entire Diablo series and played them all ad nauseum and always found the graphics imersive and very skillfully done.
I think what Diablo 3 is missing is possibly the influence that Blizzard North(Flagship) brought to the table. Looking at Hellgate: London you will notice that gritty, shadowy factor in its graphics that I feel should be apparent in Diablo 3.
Blizzard must remember that this is Diablo 3 and NOT Worl of Warcraft 2.
Jesus the irony....
I'm sorry but in your emo fueled rant you come off as a die hard conservative fan boy... theres the "blizzard can do nothing wrong" fan boys who you are complaining about and then there is the "don't do anything to change my beloved D1/2" fan boy... which is what you are.
And you are indeed the one who is ignorant... man the hypocrisy in this post is astounding.
That's the Male
That's the Female
For God's sake, show me when did i say other wise,
I was clearly and explictly talking about the ARMOR when i showed the Female barb.
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And the only thing that looks cartoony here is this
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You all think this way cause D2 is a freaking 2D game and War3 is 3D, that's clearly the reason to all this mess, the only resemblance between D3 and WC3 is that they are BOTH 3D GAMES.
But D3 and WC3 are separate, not every stylized game is the same, the market is filled with stylized game and each one of them is unique, just like D3 is now with its pastel colors and detailed models and textures.
Sorry, but we are not the ones who made Diablo, Blizz are the only ones who have the right to say what diablo should be and what it shouldn't be.
They are the only ones how have the right to define what the new diablo will be exactly, no one else has that right, because none of you is on the Dev team nor worked on the development of any Diablo games of even had any hand at how diablo looks, it is all up to them and you have to respect that.
Games are not a democracy, games are a vision and choice of the game creator, you are not part of the Dev team and you don't own shares in the company to tell them what they need to do, fans think to higly of themsleves these days, if you like the game you buy it, if you don't then just don't buy it, it is an open market, simple as that, and it works with all other comapnies.
Many other companies are successful without listening to their fans as much as Blizz do, and i have to say with the reaction many people made that Blizzwas better off doing like other companies ( 99% ) and relsesing the game when it is done without showing us anything in the alpha stage of development.
Blizz is an exception and people are starting to take it for granted, this will soon backfire at us, they might stop listening and releasing any news about their games like eveybody else does.
You are the ones you ar backstabbing the company by not trying to understand their new vision and reasons for change, if there is anyone at fault here it is the whining fans.
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Judging from Diablo sales ( in millions ) that number is a minority not a majority really, all those satisfied with the new Diablo 3 are the ones you don't hear whining ( except me and few others who got fed of all the whining and decidied to counter it )
Said the Barbarian before proceeding to slaughter everyone
http://www.petitiononline.com/d3color/petition.html
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Again i don't know how many time i need to say that, the ARMOR WAS THE POINT, they were both wearing the same ARMOR, what is there that isn't clear about that ?
Its their franchise, they do what they want with it, they didn't ask for volunteers to defend the so called spirit of diablo every body is out crying about, there is no such thing when it comes to the looks, what defined Diablo is the gameplay elements primarily and before anything else.
And that WoW/WC phobia is really becoming an epidemic, i hate WoW it but i don't complain about that in every post, because there is no reason to do so.
If Ferrari did this then they would do it for a good reason and won't care what people think, people would still buy their cars for their QUALITY not for any other reason, and those who didn't like the change would have to simply go get the car they want elsewhere :rolleyes:
Said the Barbarian before proceeding to slaughter everyone
http://www.petitiononline.com/d3color/petition.html
look at my pic moron i wasnt comparing the female!
thats because it a fuckin RENDER! it doesnt represent the INGAME model which is what im comparing!
no shit its 3d, but no its not the reason for this mess!
even if d3 was turned into 2d sprites in its current form it would still look like a darkish 2d WoW! or at best, a warcraft mod for diablo!
there are numerous pics on these forums showcasing games that are 3d yet look nothing like WoW.
stylized does not have to be gay handpainted backgrounds and unrealistic proportions
theres a reason why so many people are refrencing WoW on this topic, im not alone on this, the game spurs up images of warcraft. whether ppl think thats a good thing or not shows their true attitude toward the franchise, that is that they either hate it and would like it to change, or they are OK with it and therefore just want a good hack n' slash and arent as passonate about the diablo franchise.
well then its lucky i use the prefix IMO!!!
btw that means IN MY OPINION!!!
wow how sad it is arguing with such ignorance.
And i wasn't talking to you, i was talking to coolhund, go check the quote before making yourself look bad.
Let me enlighten you, the artist that made the D2 models EXPLICTLY said that he used the 3D models in the pictures to make the 2D sprites in the game, don't tell me you thought they were hand drawn, do you really know anything about grahpics and video game making ?
D3 looks nothing like WoW, and all the Diablo clones out there look like each other, and sadly that's what you want to do with D3 too, good luck destroying the unique look of the game.
There is nothing unrealistic about the in-game Barbarian model, go study some anatomy.
There is on reason to be fanatic about Diablo, that acting like fanboys, all that matters is that it turns out to be a great game like all the other games Blizz made ( without any help from the games fanboys ), it is as simple as that.
There is a great difference between telling a company your opinion about THIER game, and telling them ( you don't know anything about Diablo, let us show you how it should be made ), that's not an opnion, that' being rude.
Said the Barbarian before proceeding to slaughter everyone
http://www.petitiononline.com/d3color/petition.html
Calling people ignorant doesn't help your argument really, it works against it obviously
And you didn't name or quote anyone else, it was clearly aimed at me. :mad:
Both armors have large shoulder pads and spikes which is what you are COMPLAINING ABOUT for no reason other than it reminds you of WoW, well not everyone is the same, many other countless games and movies both fanstasy and sci-fi has armor with large shoulder pads, it is just that you hate WoW style so much that it can't be helped.
And you know better than D3 art team, i really have nothing to say here, i'm really amazed
I don't care iff you have been playing it for 100 years really, that's not the point, you cearly hate its style to the guts and that expanded to any thing even slightly stylized like D3, that's showing pretty clear.
That's not the point, if the company changed their production line to different type of cars and people complained they wouldn't listen to them unless there is a financial loss, which is not relevnt to our case here since eveyone is oging to buy the game either it is changed or not.
Please if you like obhjectivity this much, stick to it :rolleyes:
Said the Barbarian before proceeding to slaughter everyone
http://www.petitiononline.com/d3color/petition.html
As for the car thing....I havnt read all that far back but im guessing he was referring to buying it because it looks good and yes people will buy an item on how good it looks so if people prefer a gritter look in D3 it would sell more. It also seems like a lot of people who are defending blizzard dont even care how it looks they are just being fanatic fan boys.
i dont even know what your basing this statment on, my whole argument is about making the game look unique and original within the realm the series is based on.
i never said he was anatomically incorrect, when i spoke of proportions i was refering to various objects in the environment. somewhere a developer explains how this deliberate styilization is supposed to enhance the objects, and lend to an epic emotion or some crap.
Who says what it fits or what it doesn't, isn't that originally the job of the art team not the fans ?
That's the main problem, we have two 3D games with stylized 3D grahpics, but that doesn't mean in any way that they look identical.
I clearly said that they are slightly alike because they are both stylized, but different because each one of them is stylized in a completely different way with completely different textures and color palettes.
ok, good we agree the anatomy is not cartoony like some say it is, as for the surroundings it is slightly stylized yes, i see no big deal really, you will play this game from a zoomed out view like in the Demo in which everything looked fine, only when you zoom in too much that things start looking a little wierd.
And if the art Dev team wants it that way i guess they know better than us.
Said the Barbarian before proceeding to slaughter everyone
http://www.petitiononline.com/d3color/petition.html
In Diablo II, they were trying to create a dark feeling, and if the fans hadn't felt that feeling, then the art team would have failed, agreed? But no, they succeeded brilliantly. Many times during the game, I was scared out of my pants.
So obviously the art team, by their very work, is trying to help ordinary gamers understand artistic concepts like mood.
So when we don't feel that mood NOW, the same mood the art team in previous games TRIED TO HELP US FEEL, we're dumb and can't understand? GTFO. We many not know the technicalities behind color construction, palette, and so on - BUT WE KNOW WHAT WE DAMNED WELL LIKE.
YOU CAN DISAGREE, BUT STOP TRYING TO TELL US IT'S STUPID TO HAVE A CONTRARY OPINION. GO FIND SOME OTHER BOARD WITH YES-MEN.
All i'm saying is that they already know all that you saying, you talk as if they don't know how D1 and D2 look like or never saw them before.
Try to remove all the monsters from the game and play it, then talk about getting scared, there is nothing to get scared about from darkness in an isometric game.
That's not what they said, what they said was that they TESTED many options including copying the Diablo old look ( up to three options ) and FOUND the current one to be the best, so how come you know better ?
I'm not asking you to agree with me, i'm asking you to provide valid reasons for your opinion that's all, i didn't say it is stupid to have a contrary opinion.
Said the Barbarian before proceeding to slaughter everyone
http://www.petitiononline.com/d3color/petition.html
That's fair if they tested. See I would also shut up if Blizzard, in a grand post, explained why this slightly stylized look was needed for technical reasons (like only the top 20% of the computers would have graphical capabilities to play it), and they needed to compromise so that everyone had a chance to play it.
But if they changed the whole feel of the game just so that a couple of Chinese WoW-gold farmers can buy XX number of copies, I would be pretty pissed (like 80% of computers can play it). I just want a good explanation about the technical issues so I can get educated. I want to be able to appreciate the compromises they made between graphics and gameplay.
They mentioned they went through at least 3 visual redesigns. Why don't they reveal them to the community? And after all, if you do all that testing without the community's knowledge and understanding, you take a risk like they did here of a little fan backlash.
One reason could be is that it's part of the gameplay to help you get immersed. As you progress seeing the effects of what the evil has done to the land will get you more immersed and that might be why it was more colorful in that gameplay, it was in Act 1.
I have my trust in blizzard but I wish they can do something about how it looks so much like WoW/Warcraft. I hate how wow looks and thats probably why I never got into it. Warcraft 3 in the other hand is alright, I love the gameplay. Just look at this edited image and see how bad it can look like WoW.