I have 3 shields I was playing around with and wanted to pick others brains on what they think could be best. Assuming I have 61% CDR regardless of the three shields, 270k Thorns without shields, and 60% physical dmg without any shield.
3) Hallowed Bulwark
939 STR
884 VIT
10% Bombardment Skill
1 socket for 280 STR and finery bonus
9194 THORNS
Amount blocked while Iron skin active increased 50% (only 13% chance to block)
Anyhow these are the 3 shields Im looking at. I know most things have diminished value the more you have, like having already 60% physical dmg then adding another 20% wont get me a full 20% but more like 12ish. So I wonder what you guys think would be a solid upgrade above the 3 mentioned. Let me know your thoughts!
If you are going to consider Coven or Bulwark it would also be worth thinking about if you can fit Hold Your Ground in to the build. It would significantly increase the DR you gain from both shield bonuses.
All three shields are pretty solid I would have to see the rest of your gear and put it in to the simulator to come up with a proper decision. In the end it comes down to DR vs DMG. Also 61% CDR is lower than I like to sit at. You can not say enough about having as high up time as possible on Akarat's as well as Immovable Object.
I have very similar shields and I find for grinding solo exp that 12% more Physical is rather noticeable in clear times. As for the DR shields, again it comes down to if you can fit Hold Your Ground in to your build to maximize their potential and for my own personal play style do not like to run that low of CDR since I have to give up Fervor to fit it in to my passive.
Yea what I was thinking too. I can fit in Hold your Ground and hit 61% CDR and it is something Im looking to re-empower some gear to test.
Using the parameters I mentioned and Outside of the minimal DR the Hallowed Bulwark would give me, do you see that shield being a damage boost over the Lidless as it rolled, Thorns, %skill, and a lot more STR(socket/Finery)? Lidless does nothing for me outside of the +12% physical stacked on the 60% I have. I have 29% bombard skill too.
Here is my gear (if it dsnt change) as I speed farm. Add a Doombringer 24% AD 19% physical 9% CDR 853 Str 939 Vit 350 str emp... over the Swiftmount. Plug in 61% CDR if you have to, I will have that with a shoulder ring swap.
It probably wont help much for the DR builds, have to swap out a lot of gear in storage Im working to empower, but if you can enlighten me on if the Hallowed would boost any damage over the Lidless would be helpful!
I added 2% CDR to your gear and swapped in Doombringer and here are the simulated results:
Lidless - 2735.076B
Bulwark - 1943.103B
The problem is it dropped your CDR far below the breakpoint. I swapped out the VIT on the shield for 8% CDR to match what you lost from Lidless. At that point Bulwark jumped to 2812.454B once the proper CDR requirement was met.
Unless you can stay above 61% CDR somehow it is not a viable option ATM for you. I would like to add our best weapon is Sun Keeper. You give up 20% Physical for an additional multiplier of 30% elite that is not diminished. You may want to consider getting that weapon first before making a final decision on how you want to adjust your gear.
Okay, thank you for punching in the numbers. I am not very good with that.
I promise I can swap my gear around with Bulwark the way it is described and have a min of 61.33 CDR without taking out any Vit. The current setup shown w Doombringer I have 63.6 CDR for some to lose off Lidless and gain other places to hit 61% min.
I am sorry I cant convey the multiple gear swaps which are some un-empowered atm yet to allow you to properly crunch numbers for me. Adding to the shoulder/ring +2% CDR I am able to swap, I can also add +2% CDR from gloves which adds a total difference of some roughly +3k Thorns and 125 All Rez but lose roughly -20% Area Dmg and still hit the 61.3% CDR. However I assume from what you have crunched already that the Bulwark is a minor upgrade, I thought It may be more significant but didnt know for sure.
I plugged these in if it may help you/me. Nothing is empowered here so its all baseline.
I am still going to look into the the play style of having a bit less damage for survival that the Coven brings ( with being able to drop Fervor for Hold your Ground for 53% block chance at 60% DR) but that may not be worth it for damage, Im not sure and bet that just depends on play style and RNG rifts.
I have noticed the Sunkeep being something of choice now but so far have not gotten a good enough one to swap it around for. So that is def something to consider in the future hopefully.
Do you just use D3 Planner or another program when you punch in numbers? Again thanks, Any other thoughts or questions that you may have that I am not properly conveying to you would be appreciated.
Here is a breakdown according to those three links. I will list under Lidless and Bulwark the stat increase you gain vs the other. The damage numbers are based on a typical large white pack + elite kite and group method between physical cycles.
Lidless Wall - 4291.209B
20% Area Damage
20% Physical
2.3% CDR
561 STR
Hallowed Bulwark - 3784.137B
16,858.83 Thorns
12% Bombardment
125 All Resist
123 VIT
Coven's Criterion - 3555.372B
Just looking at the amount of % increases as well as CDR that you have to give up makes Lidless the clear winner if your playstyle revolves around damage output over passive damage reduction.
Shield Glare does most of the heavy lifting defensively. At CDR cap you will have a 99.68% uptime potential. Your current highest CDR build has a 91.34% uptime potential. Just something to think about when approaching how you want to build and play LoN Bomb.
I have 3 shields I was playing around with and wanted to pick others brains on what they think could be best. Assuming I have 61% CDR regardless of the three shields, 270k Thorns without shields, and 60% physical dmg without any shield.
1) Lidless
20% Physical Dmg
838 STR
944 VIT
8 CDR
0 THORNS
2) Coven Criterion
947 STR
886 VIT
11% Block (23% total)
8 CDR
8836 THORNS
60% damage reduction to blocked attacks
3) Hallowed Bulwark
939 STR
884 VIT
10% Bombardment Skill
1 socket for 280 STR and finery bonus
9194 THORNS
Amount blocked while Iron skin active increased 50% (only 13% chance to block)
Anyhow these are the 3 shields Im looking at. I know most things have diminished value the more you have, like having already 60% physical dmg then adding another 20% wont get me a full 20% but more like 12ish. So I wonder what you guys think would be a solid upgrade above the 3 mentioned. Let me know your thoughts!
Cheers
If you are going to consider Coven or Bulwark it would also be worth thinking about if you can fit Hold Your Ground in to the build. It would significantly increase the DR you gain from both shield bonuses.
All three shields are pretty solid I would have to see the rest of your gear and put it in to the simulator to come up with a proper decision. In the end it comes down to DR vs DMG. Also 61% CDR is lower than I like to sit at. You can not say enough about having as high up time as possible on Akarat's as well as Immovable Object.
I have very similar shields and I find for grinding solo exp that 12% more Physical is rather noticeable in clear times. As for the DR shields, again it comes down to if you can fit Hold Your Ground in to your build to maximize their potential and for my own personal play style do not like to run that low of CDR since I have to give up Fervor to fit it in to my passive.
Yea what I was thinking too. I can fit in Hold your Ground and hit 61% CDR and it is something Im looking to re-empower some gear to test.
Using the parameters I mentioned and Outside of the minimal DR the Hallowed Bulwark would give me, do you see that shield being a damage boost over the Lidless as it rolled, Thorns, %skill, and a lot more STR(socket/Finery)? Lidless does nothing for me outside of the +12% physical stacked on the 60% I have. I have 29% bombard skill too.
Here is my gear (if it dsnt change) as I speed farm. Add a Doombringer 24% AD 19% physical 9% CDR 853 Str 939 Vit 350 str emp... over the Swiftmount. Plug in 61% CDR if you have to, I will have that with a shoulder ring swap.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Fancybrekfst-1852/hero/70980514
It probably wont help much for the DR builds, have to swap out a lot of gear in storage Im working to empower, but if you can enlighten me on if the Hallowed would boost any damage over the Lidless would be helpful!
I added 2% CDR to your gear and swapped in Doombringer and here are the simulated results:
Lidless - 2735.076B
Bulwark - 1943.103B
The problem is it dropped your CDR far below the breakpoint. I swapped out the VIT on the shield for 8% CDR to match what you lost from Lidless. At that point Bulwark jumped to 2812.454B once the proper CDR requirement was met.
Unless you can stay above 61% CDR somehow it is not a viable option ATM for you. I would like to add our best weapon is Sun Keeper. You give up 20% Physical for an additional multiplier of 30% elite that is not diminished. You may want to consider getting that weapon first before making a final decision on how you want to adjust your gear.
Okay, thank you for punching in the numbers. I am not very good with that.
I promise I can swap my gear around with Bulwark the way it is described and have a min of 61.33 CDR without taking out any Vit. The current setup shown w Doombringer I have 63.6 CDR for some to lose off Lidless and gain other places to hit 61% min.
I am sorry I cant convey the multiple gear swaps which are some un-empowered atm yet to allow you to properly crunch numbers for me. Adding to the shoulder/ring +2% CDR I am able to swap, I can also add +2% CDR from gloves which adds a total difference of some roughly +3k Thorns and 125 All Rez but lose roughly -20% Area Dmg and still hit the 61.3% CDR. However I assume from what you have crunched already that the Bulwark is a minor upgrade, I thought It may be more significant but didnt know for sure.
I plugged these in if it may help you/me. Nothing is empowered here so its all baseline.
Lidless - http://www.d3planner.com/147349250
Bulwark - http://www.d3planner.com/995769407
Coven - http://www.d3planner.com/594632194
I am still going to look into the the play style of having a bit less damage for survival that the Coven brings ( with being able to drop Fervor for Hold your Ground for 53% block chance at 60% DR) but that may not be worth it for damage, Im not sure and bet that just depends on play style and RNG rifts.
I have noticed the Sunkeep being something of choice now but so far have not gotten a good enough one to swap it around for. So that is def something to consider in the future hopefully.
Do you just use D3 Planner or another program when you punch in numbers? Again thanks, Any other thoughts or questions that you may have that I am not properly conveying to you would be appreciated.
Cheers,
Fancy
Here is a breakdown according to those three links. I will list under Lidless and Bulwark the stat increase you gain vs the other. The damage numbers are based on a typical large white pack + elite kite and group method between physical cycles.
Lidless Wall - 4291.209B
20% Area Damage
20% Physical
2.3% CDR
561 STR
Hallowed Bulwark - 3784.137B
16,858.83 Thorns
12% Bombardment
125 All Resist
123 VIT
Coven's Criterion - 3555.372B
Just looking at the amount of % increases as well as CDR that you have to give up makes Lidless the clear winner if your playstyle revolves around damage output over passive damage reduction.
Shield Glare does most of the heavy lifting defensively. At CDR cap you will have a 99.68% uptime potential. Your current highest CDR build has a 91.34% uptime potential. Just something to think about when approaching how you want to build and play LoN Bomb.
Thanks for the information. Appreciate you running those numbers and time.