Xbox 360 - Number 1?

[Umaro]

Will this xbox finally be the number 1 console? naa, discuss anyways

[darkjay]

pfft ps3 will do a 1080 around the 360 :D
oo btw, hello umaro

[Allyosaugh]

1. The 360 melts disks more often then other consoles
2. The 360 has crap games
3. The 360 has weirdly-shaped controllers, thus making gameplay alot worse
4. The 360 crashes alot
5. It's very hard to hook up the controllers on the 360.
6. The 360 heats so much that one time I went over to my friends house, and it almost started a house fire.
7. Judging by #6, the 360 is very hazardous to your health and costs alot to repair your house.
8. The 360 is just....
9.....plain..........
10.......CRAP

[Morfias]

Actually my 360 has worked perfectly and I've left it on for 6 hours one time by accident and it still worked perfectly. Yes it may have crappy launch games except for Call of Duty 2 and DOA 4 plus they are working to make a lot better games like Demonik and Halo 3 but I think the PS3 will have a better launch.

[Maestro]

Wasn't DOA origianlly a playstation game?

[Morfias]

Yea but than Xbox bought the rights for DOA after DOA 4.

[ThatDude]

Xbox 360 is Ok, The Wii is interesting and New, and the ps3 is the next generation. The way i see it this will be the order of the winners of the console war
1. Ps3
2. Wii
3. Xbox 360 (Yes the wii beats the 360)

[Corn Flakes]

I agree with ThatDude... But id sure like to see the WII give PS3 a run for its 600$

[Maestro]

It is all about the target audience. Wii is designed for children, japanese arcades and people on acid. Whereas the Ps3 is designed for teenagers, adults, rockers and cereal killers in rehab (and out).

The colours are much brighter on the Wii and although it has some cool games it is much more cartoony.

We will have to see though

[SilVerSurFnStud]

1.PS3
2.Wii
3 xbox 360

[Maestro]

I think the 360 will become obsolete too quickly because they released it early and didn't give it time to get all the bugs out of the system or even get their technology up-to-date

[darkjay]

i can see wow on the WIIII

[d3please]

lol hell no ps3 al the way

[Warlord55]

XBOX 360
xbox 360 is the best of them all
wii is weak, a little bit more powerful then normal xbox
ps3 costs a shit ton, because they put the blue-ray that only works for dvds and it is as powerful(if not weaker then) xbox 360
xbox 360 has oblivion and halo3 and fable2
1. Xbox 360
2. PS3
3. Wii

[muttonchops]

Will this xbox finally be the number 1 console? naa, discuss anyways
Not gonna happen. Wii has more advantages, if you wanna talk sales. It's got cost effectiveness, more anticipated games, and larger fanbase.

PS3 will do the worst, most likely. Making it so incredibly powerful was a bad idea...for Sony at least.

wii is weak

Boy, proof is not on your agenda is it?

because they put the blue-ray that only works for dvds and it is as powerful(if not weaker then) xbox 360

That's a load of bullshit. Not only does the PS3 have better CPUs in it, it has MORE. It has more GPUs in it, that are each more powerful than the Xbox 360's.

I will respect your opinion about the Xbox 360, but if you wanna talk general popularity, you're way off.

[Kewterz]

i got xbox as well i just support world domination by bill gates i guess.

[Maestro]

I watched a wicked video of someone putting their xbox 360 through a mulcher!

I cried like baby......it was beautiful!

[darkjay]

lol... to bad my trebuchet isnt up anymore :(... on well, time for a "tortion" treb lol, pumpkin chunkin contest here we come

[AcidReign]

1. Xbox 360
2. Wii
3. PS3

[DX rulez]

Xbox 360 is Ok, The Wii is interesting and New, and the ps3 is the next generation. The way i see it this will be the order of the winners of the console war
1. Ps3
2. Wii
3. Xbox 360 (Yes the wii beats the 360)



i agree with you ThatDude, the wii is something new in the business (well i think) it looks interesting and it is made for childrens... and trsut me many childrens will make their parents to buy it, but also the ones who born in the video games era are adults and teenagers so they have more financial support :rolleyes: and we know how to select the best video game console and also xbox 360 has boring games, except by halo but i think that ps has more variety of games...

[AcidReign]

If you're truly into gaming, and strictly gaming, then the Xbox 360 will probably be the best bet. The PS3 will play games at almost the same rate and intensity for about $200 more. The games for Xbox 360 will get better I assure you.

[Warlord55]

1. The 360 melts disks more often then other consoles
2. The 360 has crap games
3. The 360 has weirdly-shaped controllers, thus making gameplay alot worse
4. The 360 crashes alot
5. It's very hard to hook up the controllers on the 360.
6. The 360 heats so much that one time I went over to my friends house, and it almost started a house fire.
7. Judging by #6, the 360 is very hazardous to your health and costs alot to repair your house.
8. The 360 is just....
9.....plain..........
10.......CRAP

1.you have to have the disk in there for about a day with the 360 running constantly and thatll happen with anything
2. the games will get better
3. the controllers r awsome and u have to get used to them like any console
4. barely ever crashes(except the ones that first came out 2 out of 10 crashed i think)
5.lol use ur eyes, it helps
6.1 if it does that get a cooler add on thingy and 2 its not that hot
7. same with #6
8,9,10 lets not talk about

and xbox has xbox live, and does nintendo or sony have halo?

[Warlord55]

and did u hear that the ps3 games cost around $100(might not be true) and sony might make it so u cant play used games
example:borrowing a game from a friend, cant do it

[AcidReign]

I owned a PS2, and after a while I wish I had bought the Xbox instead. The Xbox could have up to 4 contollers stock, and it also allowed for LAN play with up to 16 players. To me, the Xbox had more appealing games than the PS2. Halo and Fable were two games I was very interested in trying, but could never do so. Now with Gears of War, Fable 2, and Halo 3 coming, I'm glad I have a Xbox 360 to play them on.

[D-Day.77]

Ps3 will rule win it come to graphics online Play (cause it free) and Quality games (Halo saga is the only exception).
I think sale will go like this cause of price Xbox 360, Wii, and best for last Ps3.
Ps3 may be exspensive but it more of a pc killer than any system. Suck my Dick Bill Gates.

[AcidReign]

I'm happy with the 360, so, until I see this assumingly "better" PS3, I'm going to remain dedicated to my precious.

[Murderface]

Ok, listen I have always been a fan of playstation that I cant deny, but the ps3 is going to take it. Reasons you ask? well as we can all say new technology is always pricy, by todays currency the Atari would have been priced at $640 and the NES $450. The reason the ps3 is priced so high is because blue ray is very new. They will get all the rich kids first and after about a year the price on blue ray dvd players will decrese substantially, Sony will be able to produce more units for the same price and probably end up selling the ps3 for around $450. And thats where Sony wins cause they'll start reeling in the cheap bastards and make a fuck load of money. I like Sony but I am also willing to look at evidince rather than following the ps3 blindly.
Wii will probably take second because of its genius design and concept. Nintendo has always found ways to draw people in and get them addicted.
Xbox, however will probably take it in the ass for being so eager to get a jump on the competition.

p.s. please dont bring your silly fanboy misconceptions to the table or this message board will start flaming like Liberacci's anus.

[undeadsk8er1]

1. The 360 melts disks more often then other consoles
2. The 360 has crap games
3. The 360 has weirdly-shaped controllers, thus making gameplay alot worse
4. The 360 crashes alot
5. It's very hard to hook up the controllers on the 360.
6. The 360 heats so much that one time I went over to my friends house, and it almost started a house fire.
7. Judging by #6, the 360 is very hazardous to your health and costs alot to repair your house.
8. The 360 is just....
9.....plain..........
10.......CRAP

wow
i think i will just kill you know
because your a dumbass
all consoles heat up
all consoles sometimes crash
all consoles mess up games
your a douche bag
and ill stab you
tell me some games from ps3 that are good?
hmmmm
1. resistance:fall of man...
2. oh yea thats right there is nothing else

wii
1. resident evil 4
2. wii sports
3. legend of zelda: twilight princess

ok now for the 360
1. Gears Of War
2.Elder scrolls
3. Marvel Ultimate Alliance
4. Guitar Hero 2
5. Rainbow Six Vegas
6. Tony Hawks Project 8
7. Splinter Cell Double Agent
8. And soon to be the best selling video game in the world Halo 3

so go and fuck yourself
you dumbass
your probably like 8
you should stop playing video games
and go back to your fucking bottle
ITS HAZARDOUS TO MY HEALTH
hahaha
dumbass

[Chaosdragon94]

Dude... I hope you get banned :)

Anyways I watched E3 things. Nintendo full hour, Sony, and Microsoft. By far WII is the best. While they might not have the big games, it brings families together and makes even old people start playing games (well that's mostly DS) anyways WII is physically best for you, WII is winning in sales and soon to be game for the WII with the "Wii Zapper" gun thing, called Metroid Prime 3 will be a big hit. And also Super Mario Galaxies will be a big hit. Fact is Wii will prevail - big time. Lots of the stats I saw at the E3 pointed towards Nintendo Wii kicking all ass. Stats are facts guys.

1. Wii
2. Xbox 360
3. Wow are they ever down there right now... Sony (PS3) phht Nintendo DS and Xbox probably beat it.

[WorldRaider]

Chaos why? I agree with him, I was reading all the posts and was gonna trash that guy aswell.

360 did not have bad launch games, HELL atleast we had games on the shelf, wtf does Ps3 have??

Even the Wii has funner and better games then the ps3 for christ sakes!

and blu ray is a hunk of crap! Ya dont need it for a gaming console!

360 has way better graphics, way better games, costs alot cheaper for a better system.

[Chaosdragon94]

Yeh 360 better graphics better games costs cheaper for a better system (ehhh.... yeh I'd say that) but read what else I said about the WII. Personally I want Xbox 360 live because that's my type. But the WII has games for everyone and doesn't make you a fatass and also brings families closer together (believe it or not.) It has the most sales. 1.2 for Wii 1.1 for Xbox 360 (I think, and Wii was launched after Xbox 360...) ever Microsoft showed this at E3. First full hour Microsoft Conference or w/e

[Siaynoq]

It is all about the target audience. Wii is designed for children, japanese arcades and people on acid. Whereas the Ps3 is designed for teenagers, adults, rockers and cereal killers in rehab (and out).Haha! I'm sorry, I usually don't scrutinize spelling and grammar. But, cereal killers. That was hilarious.

[Carloseus]

right now, it seems the ps3 will lose to the 360. yes they have knocked down 100 dollars off the price, but they will still lose. the 360 is handing the ps3's ass to it on a silver platter, nothing much else to say. i feel bad that the ps3 bombed so bad, but thats sony's fault for delaying it a whole year only to make it much more expensive than the 360.

[kingpin202]

Yeah, it sucks that the PS3 is loosing, but sersiously, the 360 is just better. I don't own any of the new systems, but the Wii is winning by storm. I like the 360 the best, and I'm probably buying a 360 Elite when the new 65nm chipset is put in them. It should bring the price down at least 100 dollars and will definately cool the heat the 360 puts out.

[Jarhead89]

I see this argument all the time, and there are 3 simple answers.

1. 360 shits all over the other 2 because of live, it is a fucking sweet service that is yet to be matched by another console.

2. PS3 shits all over the other 2 because of how damn powerful it is, and how intense the new graphics are.

3. Wii shits all over the other 2 for its innovation and popularity with children and asia.

Also, each system has its disadvantages:

360: has too many bugs and overheats quite easily.

PS3: FUCKING EXPENSIVE, and they delayed it too long. You have no idea how many people i know couldnt wait any longer for a ps3, so they went and got a 360, only to sell it again months later and be dissapointed with the ps3.

Wii: is mainly targeted towards children, and isnt your traditional console/controller.

The bottom line is, while ill admit the 360 has its faults, i reckon it has already won. It has a bunch of titles that have HUGE fan bases (halo, fable and now gears of war) which boosts its sales and popularity massively. They released it before the other 2, and it got a leg up. And live just takes a massive crap on the mere existance of ps3 and wii: it is an unmatched console experience that is just damn flawless. Besides, the damn PRICE of the ps3 is a joke. Its launch price here in aus was $1000. Thats rediculous. 360 started at around $650 (for the premium one) and is down to about $500 now.

My order:

1.Xbox 360
2. Wii
3. PS3 (sorry folks just too damn expensive and it didnt quite live up to the hype)

[Siaynoq]

Marvelous post, Jarhead. I miss your calculated yet entertaining logic. :D

[kingpin202]

Yeah, if the PS3 was cheaper and had some good games, then it could blow the other two away, but since it doesn't, it sucks.

[Jarhead89]

Haha siaynoq...i miss your sarcasm and random-ness that is unmatched by anyone. :D

[Siaynoq]

Thanks man!

Another reason the 360 is number 1 to me is they just released Wing Commander: Arena for Live Arcade. I'm still getting used to the controls, but so far it's been so fun. This is like the first official Wing Commander release since the late 90's and it was the Xbox that made it happen. So now I have an unfair bias in favor of the 360.

[AcidReign]

I laugh because at the local Best Buy here still sells more 360's than PS3's, even on the date of release of the PS3.

[Warlord55]

i think the 360 would win if the 360 and ps3 would cost the same, look at some video comparisions on games, 360 vs ps3, you can tell the ps3 doesn't have better graphics
if anyone wants to play some Live add me my GC is Diablo005, i have Gears, Halo2, COD2, Call of Juarez for games on live

[Siaynoq]

Do the other consoles have Gamertags and player scores? I think it's kind of a fun feature. I like how it shows what games you've been playing recently and what achievements you've unlocked in those games. It's a fun little gimmick.

[Warlord55]

i think microsoft should do something more with achievments, like if you get so many you get something free. if that was true i should try to get all the achievments, becuase right now im not trying to get them

[Siaynoq]

Perhaps. There are definitely things available for download that either cost too much or shouldn't cost at all. Even if it were little things. Like, it would be cool if you could unlock skins or avatars with your points.

[Murderface]

Sony haters need to calm down and watch what unfolds. Sony is a master at making profits, their selling all their old titles to microsoft because they have a flurry of new original titles coming. The price has been cut from 600 to 400 dollars, it has blue ray, does not overheat like the 360, built like a rock, and has a higher overall performance. Sony will crush microsoft in the next couple of years (after all the 360s break down and die) and it will continue to be the staple of entertainment that its ancestors were. As for the wii ... limited longevity...

P.S. just stick with your pc.

[NoExplanation]

1.) Blu-Ray players on Sony's have a shorter shelf life then Xbox overheat as long as you don't shove your xbox in a small closet.

2.) Those new titles you speak of, how our they going to bring new sales? They are new titles.

3.) Sony's cost per unit is a lot higher then Xbox's hense smaller profit per sale.

4.) PC's are better then both.

[Bambithegreat]

Sony h8ers need to shut up and watch what unfolds. Sony is a master at making profits, their selling all their old titles to microsoft because they have a flurry of new original titles coming. The price has been cut from 600 to 400 dollars, it has blue ray, does not overheat like the 360, built like a rock, and has a higher overall performance. Sony will crush microsoft in the next couple of years (after all the 360s break down and die) and it will continue to be the staple of entertainment that its ancestors were. As for the wii ... limited longevity...

P.S. just stick with your pc.

sony+ps3=FAIL



sry, but compared to the 360 and wii the ps3 has horrid games.

[Carloseus]

sony+ps3=FAIL



sry, but compared to the 360 and wii the ps3 has horrid games.

Yep. They should can the PS3 and start working on a new model or something. The PS3 is hanging by the skin of its teeth.

[MijnWraak]

hm, is metal gear solid coming to the xbox?

only thing i see pro. for ps3 is racing - as it supports the G25(finest racing wheel on market) and gran turismo 5, a highly anticipated racing sim.

[mastaraider]

360 is the shitt. i've been an xbox dude since the first day the big blak box came out. only consoles i owned b4 were N64 and Super NES.

[Ferret]

Considering that you have to get an external drive to play HD-DVDs on 360, the price is not an issue anymore between these two consoles. Both have their flaws, and both excel at certain things.

To me it seems like Nintendo has made the most succesfull console, its price is well below both xbox and ps3, and the innovative gamestyle is drawing many looks towards Wii even from people who are generally not interested in playing games. As much as I hate to say it, unless both Sony and Microsoft start developing games that unfold the true power of their hardware, Wii will start selling way better than both.

[winstonthe4th]

Wii has already been selling better then both.

http://nexgenwars.com/

[PhrozenDragon]

hm, is metal gear solid coming to the xbox?
No, and that's pretty much the only staple PS title that will remain for the PS3, with Final Fantasy and Devil May Cry ported.
Thus, I'm still aiming for a PS3 :)

Wii has already been selling better then both.

http://nexgenwars.com/
I can't say I expected it, but I'm not entirely surprised either. I think this more than ever shows that it's about a game being fun rather than new in all cases.

[winstonthe4th]

I can't say I expected it, but I'm not entirely surprised either. I think this more than ever shows that it's about a game being fun rather than new in all cases.

And imagine when Brawl hits stores...

[Esssuse]

I never cared much for this whole console war thing. All systems are good in their own way. All systems also have their obvious flaws. Siding with only one simply because the other stink is just silly if you ask me.
As I, on the other hand, own precisely no current-gen consoles I guess I should just shut up.

[Ferret]

I never cared much for this whole console war thing. All systems are good in their own way. All systems also have their obvious flaws. Siding with only one simply because the other stink is just silly if you ask me.
As I, on the other hand, own precisely no current-gen consoles I guess I should just shut up.

Very true. I guess what it boils down to is the fact that only few people can afford to buy every console and the sofware for it. People will try to justify themselves for getting a console and not getting the other, and there is always at least one person that thinks the exact opposite.

And no, you should not shut up. As you currently have no consoles of this new generation, you are amongst the people who may be more interested in buying one of them than people who already own between one and all of them. If you end up getting a console and some games and stick with it, you will end up paying thousands of dollars towards one company.

Not to mention the thread topic is screaming for arguements of the factual sort ;)

[J/-\YK/-\Y]

And imagine when Brawl hits stores...

Ahhh... Brawl... :rolleyes:

[mastaraider]

i admire Nintendo for thinkin outside the boxx. it's just a small step forward to hopefully one-day, a videogame that you are "inside". if that makes sense. kind of like a cognition hood or helmet and you are actually the char looking around in a digital world. lol. that's wat i hope will happen soon n e ways.

[Murderface]

1.) Blu-Ray players on Sony's have a shorter shelf life then Xbox overheat as long as you don't shove your xbox in a small closet.

2.) Those new titles you speak of, how our they going to bring new sales? They are new titles.

3.) Sony's cost per unit is a lot higher then Xbox's hense smaller profit per sale.

4.) PC's are better then both.

1.)blu ray players have an expected life of 50 years...

2.)A lot of people dont want play the same old shit so new titles are a change for the better. next gen console next gen titles.

3.)$400 for a next gen game system and a blu ray, yea its a steal, but think in the long term cost per unit drops drasticaly over the span of a consoles life. Sony made a shit load of money off the ps2 (last christmas it outsold the ps3 and 360 combined) so I dont think their worried about cost.

4.)Yes Im sticking with my pc (at least until MGS4 and RE5).

Side note.)Fuck halo, its for kiddies, play CSS, TF2, or COD4...

[NoExplanation]

1.)blu ray players have an expected life of 50 years...

You need to do a lot more research. The shelf life on an Xbox can be considered 15 years, if maintained. The shelf life on Blu Ray is 50 years with little to no usage. Their is almost as large of a community experiencing lazer burn outs on their drives of their PS3.

2.)A lot of people dont want play the same old shit so new titles are a change for the better. next gen console next gen titles.

Xbox 360 is compairable in every way when it it comes to next generation gaming. It has already proven itself as the victor in a competition between the 2.

Secondly, what same old shit are you refurring to? Xbox has already had a lot of the new titles purchase contracts with them instead of PS3 because Sony can't get it done. Prime example, Assassins Creed. I also think you need to research or play a few of these new titles that have come out for the 360 cause they have been excellent thus far.

3.)$400 for a next gen game system and a blu ray, yea its a steal, but think in the long term cost per unit drops drasticaly over the span of a consoles life. Sony made a shit load of money off the ps2 (last christmas it outsold the ps3 and 360 combined) so I dont think their worried about cost.

http://www.amazon.com/Xbox-360-Pro-Value-Bundle/dp/B000W91YTA/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1196168639&sr=1-1
$349.99 - (1) Xbox 360 (1) 20 GB HD (1) Controller (2) Games (1) Headset

http://www.amazon.com/Xbox-360-HD-DVD-Player/dp/B000JHO4L0/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1196168595&sr=8-1
179.99 - For HD drive.

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$529.98

They are not that far off each other in costs.

Sony has lost hundreds of thousands of dollars on Playstation 3's. The fact that playstation 2 is out selling it's supposed successor is fact that it's a piece of crap. Stating that Sony does not care if they lose money because they make up profit on PS2 just shows how little you know about the company.

When SoE (Sony online Entertainment) did not reach even 1/3 of the suscribers as World of Warcraft, they had a general contract meeting with them and Lucasarts. Both companies agreed to change their product to try and steal some of that market. It turned out to be yet another huge loss and utterly lead to the deflation of their title, (Star Wars Galaxies).

4.)Yes Im sticking with my pc (at least until MGS4 and RE5).

Side note.)Fuck halo, its for kiddies, play CSS, TF2, or COD4...

Halo 3 is an outstanding game. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but you leave no basis for it. Call of Duty 4 is another outstanding game that I play almost nightly on my Xbox 360.

Overall, I believe you need to get over your pre-concieved notions about the 360 and actually try playing it. You may learn a thing or two.

[Sofawall]

No, and that's pretty much the only staple PS title that will remain for the PS3, with Final Fantasy and Devil May Cry ported.
Thus, I'm still aiming for a PS3 :)


Nintendo seems to be gobbling up quite a few of the FF titles nowadays. Looking to buy the francise maybe?

[PhrozenDragon]

That'd be a setback for sure for Sony, but I think they'd have to throw up a whole lot of money for that. There's a big potential market for Square if they've on all three consoles. The PS2 sold so well they probably didn't consider the other two viable at the time.
So unless the Wii completely smashes all competition, not likely to happen.

[Ferret]

1.)
3.)$400 for a next gen game system and a blu ray, yea its a steal, but think in the long term cost per unit drops drasticaly over the span of a consoles life. Sony made a shit load of money off the ps2 (last christmas it outsold the ps3 and 360 combined) so I dont think their worried about cost.


PS3 is the way to go if you even consider using BluRay as your media. Considering that it doesnt just play bluray movies, its price is outstanding.

The odd thing is, I heard in the states HD-DVDs seem to have the upper hand. Over here in Europe, BluRay has a bigger selection of movies than HD-DVD on American installations.

Hard to say which one will win, I think that the best way to go is to get a multiplayer system, which neither PS3 or xBox can offer at the moment.

[Sofawall]

But which Wii is pretty much custom-made for, Nintendo has long been acknowledged as the king of NON-ONLINE multiplayer, and it's only getting clearer with the Wii.

[Murderface]

@NoExplanation
1/4 or 1/3 of all xbox 360s get the red ring of death syndrome and your calling the ps3 a peice of crap lol

Im not saying xbox hasnt won the battle, but this isnt a console battle its a war. The games that have come out so far are just the tip of the iceberg. Look at the games that where released at the begining of the second gen and compare them to the games that came out at the end. In two years you will look back on these games and scoff. you live in the moment my friend, that can lead to clouded foresight, sure these games seem great now but look to the future. Xboxes are dropping left and right and ps3s are not.

Can you grasp wht im saying? Its not where a console starts that decides its fate its what happens during the course of its life. And if you ask me Sony wouldnt have started this war if it didnt have a major ace up its sleeve.

The fact that the ps2 outsold the ps3 and the 360 last year means that there are more poor gamers than rich in this country it has nothing to do with quality.

1/3 of WoW subcribers is still alot of people, and yea they made mistakes (a lot of mistakes) with SoE.

My basis hating halo 3? its the same damn game they have released 2 times before, and after I finished campaign I switched to TF2 because Ive burned myself out on halo multiplayer over the years as Im sure many others have. I like forge but its not as good as gmod.

but pc still rocks them both if you put aside the cost of upgrading every other year O.o

oh yea, the Wii... how long do you think people will stay interested in hand gestures translalated into crappy graphics? curse the Wii and its softcore appeal

[NoExplanation]

@Murderface
Don't attempt to blaim the economy for the poor sales of the PS3. If that were true then there would be just as little sales of the Xbox 360 since they rival in price. The truth is most of their games are crap. They don't have any titles that are currently bringing in the numbers to compete with the 360, nor will they on a steady basis. Mostly because the programming is crap. I have not met one math nerd that wants to even work with the system because of the headaches that it causes and I work in the industry. I know a few that were very anxious to get a crack at the programming but then wish they never got involved with it.

As far as Halo 3 goes, how can you even claim it's the same crap? The graphics were greatly improved. NPC character involvement, weapons, vehicles, and overall game flow were all brand new and listed by many game reviews as outstanding. As far as your claim of running through the campaign, I am going to call bullshit because anyone would agree that it was a fantastic story line and had some epic game play. I was very skeptical when I saw Halo 3 at E3. It did appear to be packaged as the same ol' stuff. Once it hit the floor, it was fantastic. Great smooth gameplay that had flowing levels and places you in the middle of an epic story.

I think you are attempting to bash the 360 to try and stay true to the PS3, but I assure you, this 2 years you are refurring to, not one game developer at current, really wants to work with the system. It is utter garbage. The numbers speak for themselves.

The other issue Sony has, the unit will not drop much in price because they can't afford to. Their costs to produce this unit is too high and if you want to suggest that it is the economies fault that they do not own a PS3 then this will not change because the unit will always be around the price it is now.

[Murderface]

@NoExplanation
I didnt attemt to explain the ps3s low sales with the economy, I just said that its the reason why the ps2 is still goin strong.

I already told you that the xbox has better games "now" , I argued that in the future that will probably change. Developers have all the time in the world figure out the ps3 complex, im a patient man.

I wasnt bashing halos single player experience(although the storyline isnt that great) but I was bashing multiplayer (aside from forge), CS and TF have a more intuitave teamplay approach, thats why I prefer them. Ive been spartan117 and it was good but its over now and im sick. But if they come out with halo 3 ce for the pc I might change my mind :)

you said yourself that the xbox with a hd drive costs more than a ps3, so?I may be the underdog in this debate but im no dummy, and it seems that you misunderstand everything I say

I speculate that the games that come out now dont really matter cause soon they will be yesterdays news, and a new gen of of game will come out and revolutionize just like its forgotten ancestors rinse, wash, repeat. these are the battles that make up a console war. agreed?:confused:?