Sony Playstation 3 Thread

[Umaro]

Discuss PS 3 here =)

[darkjay]

ps3 rocks 360's socks... lol ive posted in all 3 threads

[Allyosaugh]

Hee hee, me too. Hee hee.

[Morfias]

hmm hee hee hee? Sounds exciting. I think PS3 will beat Xbox 360 at launch but ultimately the 360 will win the battle until the 540 comes out.

[SilVerSurFnStud]

ps3 will blow 360 away hands down

[Maestro]

hmm hee hee hee? Sounds exciting. I think PS3 will beat Xbox 360 at launch but ultimately the 360 will win the battle until the 540 comes out.

Hehehe 540, that would be funny.....

Xbox is a stupid concept, all it is is microsoft wanting more money and trying to steal it from young and stupid people.

Microsoft were so desparate to make money that they asked rockstar to make that next GTA an XBOX exclusive game. But the thing was that Microsoft couldn't pay rockstar enough money because the PS3 will make too much money from GTA.

Xbox only got the other GTA's because rockstar thought it might make a bit of extra mula, but it just turned out to be a dumb idea because Xbox are shit.



That little rant wasn't pointed at you morfias, just the thing you said about the 540 was.....they haven't even brought out an Xbox 2 and they are already going for number 540!!!! lol

[Warlord55]

first the reson they had 360 is because they didnt like calling it xbox 2, it doesnt sound as good, and they arent crap and where did u hear about rockstar getting paid for gta to be on xbox? i think 360 will be way better then ps3

[AcidReign]

The Xbox 360 has a solid lead so far, and I think they will keep that lead (not by much) until the next generation. There will be no blow out victory for either one. I think the machine everyone is forgetting about is the Wii. I think the Wii will have numerous sales as well, perhaps even as many as the PS3. Remember, there are a lot of Nintendo enthusiasts out there.

[ThatDude]

PS3 will be amazing for the following reasons
1) Graphics own Xbox
2) Free online
3) Motion sensor controller
4) Assassin's Creed
5) MGS 4
6) Final Fantasy 7 Remake
7) Repeat 1-6

[Moonek]

i don't know which one is going to be better but when i think of xbox i think of halo and when i think of playstation i think of final fantasy/tekken so it usually come down to what games i want to play more

[SilVerSurFnStud]

PS3 will be amazing for the following reasons
1) Graphics own Xbox
2) Free online
3) Motion sensor controller
4) Assassin's Creed
5) MGS 4
6) Final Fantasy 7 Remake
7) Repeat 1-6


u forgot blue ray disks too those are sweet

[ThatDude]

Yeah they are, but ive heard its a 50/50 chance the blue ray will be ready in a month.

[D-Day.77]

Xbox 360 will take this year cause has about 110 games and some of them are freakin awsome (Gears of War). Ps3 will come about next year around may and pown Wii and Xbox with awsome games. The games on Ps3 will have the best graphics Ex. Resistance Fall of man for Ps3 looks very good and it is not even in high deff.

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[darkjay]

who all bought the ps3??

[darkjay]

did any1 play the ps3?? i stood in wal-mart today for an hour playing it, then i went to curcuit city to play it some more... if only i have an extra $250 lol

[ThatDude]

I played full auto at eb games for about an hour and it was pretty insane if i do say so myslef. You should save up your almost there, sell your old consoles man! sell your bed! sell your cloths! Whatever it takes to get your hands on one! lol jk dont sell ur bed.

[Carloseus]

only way ill get a ps3 is if they introduce a remake or sequel to the FF7 game. i fell in love with it, and i would be willing to pay $400-$500 for the mere console for that game. anything else would be a plus. however, i think ill let the prices fall a bit before i attempt it, since a FF7 might never come out. i think that PS3 is way too expensive for anything else. get a 360, or wait for microsoft to introduce something next year or the next that will leave the PS3 in the dust. after all, microsoft does have about a year and a half of leverage over sony, and they have the power to beat this new competition next year.


fact is, that sony is losing the battle. they promised something two years ago at e3, and didnt deliver until this november. microsoft promised something at the same time, and we got that last year. a year of owning the market has given microsoft the power and funds to start their new project. maybe we'll get that about the time that sony announces their next thing.

this is a long rant about how microsoft is better than sony. thank you for your time.

[PhrozenDragon]

FF7 will come out, that is also a big reason why I will buy PS3. I have never played it, but everybody keeps repeating that it is so good, so I just have to try it.
I don't think Microsoft is better than Sony. What the PS3 needs right now are some strong titles to come out for it. Just having some sports and racing games aren't gonna make it popular, it needs some of it's heavy games, like Final Fantasy. Then it will begin.

[darkjay]

go find the nearest store that has one on display and get ready to waste a day thier

[Siaynoq]

Sony is definately relying heavily on the PS3 to revive them. They've had a lot of setbacks of late; the debacle of the 9.6 million laptop batteries that had to be recalled, the delay of their Blu-ray technology due to component shortages, and their recent formidable competition from Samsung, their South Korean Rival.

There's a few main things that Sony is hoping the PS3 will acheive, one is to maintain their dominance in the gaming industry (I was not aware they so dominated it to begin with), second, is to establish the market for its Blu-ray technology(as it is in direct competition with HD-DVD format, and to demonstrate that Sony's new executive Howard Stringer can turn things around.

The PS3 will not do as well as its predecessor for several reasons. When the PS2 came out, it did not face the competition it is now. With the 360 fairly well established and the Wii just being released, it will be unable to attain its marketshare that the PS2 did.

The other main obstacle for the PS3 is its price. Maybe it's just because I'm not as willing to invest as much in gaming as I used to, but I think it's too expensive for what you get, with the rudimentary configuration being as high as 500. I'll admit the Blu-ray does sound intriguing, but it is also responsible for its high cost and has been way too hobbled due to its delays.

The difference in video formats may not even matter in the long run. But no matter how you look at it, Sony has lost a lot of ground with the gaming market.

On a more personal level, I was never a huge fan of the Playstation. It may be that I simply never found the right games to enjoy. I never cared for Grand Theft Auto, or any of the Final Fantasy games (I'm sorry, but Final Fantasy just makes me constipated). My favorite game the first Playstation had was actually Twisted Metal 2 and Resident Evil 2.

The debate between PS3 and 360 and it's possible third party candidate, the Wii, kind of seems asinine to me. As it really boils down to personal tastes and finances. For my personal tastes, I love games like Halo, Doom 3, Morrowind, Oblivion, even Fable which failed to deliver most of what it promised, but was still a fun game nonetheless. In finance terms, yes you pay a subscription fee to Xbox live (I didn't know till I read one of these posts that the PS3 online was free), but you do get a lot of great downloadable content with Xbox live in addition to just playing online with other people. I did find it gay, however, how 360's first configuration didn't even include a harddrive or even a 20 meg memory unit. I was foolish to buy just the standard version first and then gradually upgrade, but what are you gonna do.

The reason I tend to think of the Wii akin to a third party candidate, is that it doesn't seem as much in direct competition with the former two, since it is being marketed more to a generalized gaming audience and to those who don't normally play video games.

Anyway, I think it's unfair to say one sucks over the other. It just depends on your style of gaming and whichever suits you better. And if it's all those consoles, and you can afford that, then um, I guess that just means you're well off.

Personally, I wish more than anything right now I could upgrade my computer and check out some new games I've been wanting to play.

[Carloseus]

you forgot the best of gaming systems, the one you are viewing this site with. the PC is the best system out there, no doubt about it.

the PS3 is expensive, but as i said, i would buy it for a next FF7. God of War 3 would also be nice, since they couldnt really go anywhere with 2 because of same graphics. GTA is gut wrenching, and to know that Sony is low enough to rely on it readily is absolutely revolting. in all, i like my PC, then the xbox's, then nintendo line (havent played the Wii), then the PS2. i think that microsoft has the power to blast the PS3 out of the fight in the next 1-2 year(s) if they produce another really good console. something that includes everything it does now and can do so much more, that is what is in their grasp. if they grasp it, square-enix will be knocking on Microsoft's door. in the end, American console maker will triumph over the world, if it is not already.

[darkjay]

im sorry bill gates, i like the sony i have always been a sony and nintendo fan, the wii is ok, but i hope the ps3 dominates and in doing so the price drops :)

[HARDCOREPOORE]

I personally dont like ps3, the graphics look the same as 360, theres like 3 exclusive games to ps3, and its price is wayyyyy to high. if i had to make a choice between the wii,ps3, or xbox360 i might have to go with 360 personally becuase of gears of war and about 80% of my friends quit socom to play saints row. anyway ive recently played ps3 its nothing special no new controller, system is pretty much the same, only thing different from ps2 are the few extra dots it puts on your screen.

Heres my list
1 COMPUTER (diablo 2,wcIII,starcraft,guildwars)
2 360 (gears of war , saints row)
3 wii (zelda , super smash bros)
4 ps2 (gituar hero1+2 , socom 2... 3 sux)
5 ps3 (cant think of any godly games)

[Carloseus]

im sorry bill gates, i like the sony i have always been a sony and nintendo fan, the wii is ok, but i hope the ps3 dominates and in doing so the price drops :)

at least i stick with american products, and i will also laugh when microsoft makes their next console and sony tries to "compete" with that one two. may this time around they will be 2 years behind.....
as for the Wii, ill explain something i strongly believe in. i believe in fun and in games. when i think of any console or game, i think "fun"!! when i think of Wii, i think "exercise". exercise=boring, exercise=a chore, exercise=forced exertion to be rid of fat. exercise=not fun. therefore, the Wii is not a good gaming use. maybe for parties, or with friends, but not by yourself.

[Siaynoq]

Heres my list
1 COMPUTER (diablo 2,wcIII,starcraft,guildwars)
2 360 (gears of war , saints row)
3 wii (zelda , super smash bros)
4 ps2 (gituar hero1+2 , socom 2... 3 sux)
5 ps3 (cant think of any godly games)

How is Gears of War, anyway? I saw a trailer for it and it looked kind of intriguing.

[Kewterz]

i gotta agree with a few of yaz i think the pc owns all for games, nothing is better but if i had to choose i choose the xbox. I Hate bill Gates but i hate sony even more :-)

[Carloseus]

bill gates is a god everyone, a true genius. not only is he HOLY MOTHER OF JESUS, OMFG, WTF rich, but with that he gives to many charities, he furthens our computer technology, he rigged the xbox 360, and is starting high-tech schools in LA and in New York.

[dub Lucifer]

As a proud owner of ps3 and xbox360, I gotta say overall I am far more impressed with the xbox 360 simply because of the networking. Free online ps3 comes with a heavy burden, it lags and crashes quite frequently which makes it impossible to enjoy. Bill gates has plans to wipe out all future competition with the next gen console. About 1-2 years after the release of Halo3 (which btw is going to own all games, Except Diablo3 of course) A new microsoft console will be hitting the shelves, and owning all. Mark my words.
P.s the nintendo Wii has got to be the funnest damn thing I ever played with friends or family but It can be seriously hard to get into single player. I have always been a loyal nintendo fan, but bill gates the golden god is just to damn good.

[Warlord55]

360 is the best console and http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/617/617951p1.html will prove it. it has some nice graphs and stuff to

[w00tstick]

Do you guys realize that buying a blu-ray dvd player alone costs $800? Sony provides a dozen other attractive features for a whopping $500-$600. To fully utilize the graphics on the ps3 you'll have to buy a tv capable of 1080p, which I have. When blu-ray dvd's and 1080p's get rolling in a couple years you'll be thankful you invested in a CHEAP playstation3.

WII is good if you enjoy pratically gamecube graphics and all of the cute Mario games.

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[PhrozenDragon]

Oh yeah. Xbox and PS have different reading systems, Sony had blu-ray, and I can't remember Mixrosofts. Anyhow, whichever one of those becomes dominant will spread to the consoles.

[HARDCOREPOORE]

GEARS OF WAR IS AMAZING but i beat it and im back on socom and warcraft

[Morfias]

As a proud owner of ps3 and xbox360, I gotta say overall I am far more impressed with the xbox 360 simply because of the networking. Free online ps3 comes with a heavy burden, it lags and crashes quite frequently which makes it impossible to enjoy. Bill gates has plans to wipe out all future competition with the next gen console. About 1-2 years after the release of Halo3 (which btw is going to own all games, Except Diablo3 of course) A new microsoft console will be hitting the shelves, and owning all. Mark my words.
P.s the nintendo Wii has got to be the funnest damn thing I ever played with friends or family but It can be seriously hard to get into single player. I have always been a loyal nintendo fan, but bill gates the golden god is just to damn good.

I completely agree with you on the free online part. They give you free online but they don't invest any of their time into it. Hell i've even seen some people use game sharks online, now that's just bad. There were only a few games that i would buy the PS3 for (which in my canadian town is riduciously(sp?) overpriced at 750$) and those are FF7 remake or just redone with better graphics and nothing changed, FFXIII but i don't know anymore, maybe another Onimusha. And I don't know if you guys know this yet, but it seems that the Blue Ray will completely bomb. Why would anyone want to have to go out and purchase a whole blue ray collection when they already have so many DVD's? It just doesn't make sense.
On a side note, the Wii looks to be very fun. Plus the new Zelda looks friggin awesome and the whole controller concept looks good too.

[PhrozenDragon]

Are you kidding me? A blu-ray disk can store up to 50Gb!!! I mean come on, the DVD is going to be replaced by either one of these systems very shortly. There are supporters for both sides, but as always, only one system will prevail. Supporters for Blu-ray inlcude:

Apple
Dell
HP
Hitachi
LG
Mitsubishi Electric
Panasonic
Pioneer
Philips
Samsung
Sharp
Sony
Sun Microsystems
TDK
Thomson
Twentieth Century Fox
Walt Disney
Warner Bros.Not some random ass-hats you've never heard about.

[Christ]

I personally dont like ps3, the graphics look the same as 360, theres like 3 exclusive games to ps3, and its price is wayyyyy to high. if i had to make a choice between the wii,ps3, or xbox360 i might have to go with 360 personally becuase of gears of war and about 80% of my friends quit socom to play saints row. anyway ive recently played ps3 its nothing special no new controller, system is pretty much the same, only thing different from ps2 are the few extra dots it puts on your screen.

Heres my list
1 COMPUTER (diablo 2,wcIII,starcraft,guildwars)
2 360 (gears of war , saints row)
3 wii (zelda , super smash bros)
4 ps2 (gituar hero1+2 , socom 2... 3 sux)
5 ps3 (cant think of any godly games)

Dude what is SO SPECIAL about the 360 then??? The system is still the same, the graphs are also better (more "dots") and everyone who played MGS, FF, GOW and so on will still buy the PS3 (btw there are more games exclusive for the PS3 than you said)
and I agree on the expensive part, but I don't think that will stop many PS3 fans.(including me)
P.S. don't take this like an insult but I just wanna know what are the reasons (beside Gears of war and the price) to buy a 360

[Christ]

Sorry, the 360 can't convince me of it's "superiority" so i'm staying with playstation :D
Anyone has a WII? I wanna know how it plays!! :p

[Doppelganger]

blu-ray will die, its almost flawed in every way.
way more unstable, way more complicated and costly, the only supossedly good thing is that blu-ray is a bit faster(when it doesnt break) and the disks have more gigs on em, wich is totaly useless cause it looks shit, even not that much better then dvd.
atleast with xbox you can choose to get one or not.
btw none is going to buy a blu-ray so that means very little supply.
almost every one is going to stick to dvd anyways.
christ do you even have a ps3, cause im from belgium too (Lier) and ps3 wont launch till march, so as far as i know you didnt even play one game on the ps3.

[Carloseus]

PS has blue-ray, microsoft has HD.

i personally dislike the ps by the kind of content it has supported (grand theft auto) but i like it alot because the FF series are what keep it alive. i wonder if square enix will produce a remake or expansion to the FF7 series. anyone who knows me well even on this forum knows that im addicted to the series. so far, sony is still being outsold by microsoft, which is saying something.

traditionally ive stuck with nintendo because its a lot more of family fun kind of thing. i mean, pikachu, roy, link, and mario beating the living crap out of each other is about as good as it gets.

microsoft is what i like nowadays, and i cant wait till i get my hands or an xbox360, and when halo3 comes out. i believe that halo is one of the greatest things to happen to gaming, even though i at first hated it for the hype it produced.

[drwtwn312]

Christ you obviously aren't a very big follower of digg. Let me point out some of the stories for you that show you why the ps3 will loose this time and the other systems are a better bet.

http://digg.com/gaming_news/Gabe_Newell_Says_PS3_Is_A_Disaster_Likes_Wii
http://digg.com/gaming_news/Game_Store_Employee_Does_Research_75_calls_a_day_f or_Wii_2_for_PS3
http://digg.com/gaming_news/The_PS3_truth_comes_out_Sony_missed_shipping_targe ts_by_500_000
http://digg.com/gaming_news/PS3_demand_slows_retailer_says_no_one_wants_them
http://digg.com/gaming_news/Carmack_It_s_not_like_the_Playstation_3_is_a_piece _of_junk_or_anything
read the article on that one
http://digg.com/gaming_news/Wii_Outsells_PlayStation_3_in_Japan

All front page stories from JUST the last 7 days, I hope that this shows you the advantages of buying another console, and that is developer support is going to be lackluster on the ps3. Sure the ps3 is pretty and cool and there may be a few games for it but ps3 has lost most of their prime time exclusives and there is little innovation for the system. So I say it's time to stop putting up with sony's arrogant crap and move on.

[drwtwn312]

Do you guys realize that buying a blu-ray dvd player alone costs $800? Sony provides a dozen other attractive features for a whopping $500-$600. To fully utilize the graphics on the ps3 you'll have to buy a tv capable of 1080p, which I have. When blu-ray dvd's and 1080p's get rolling in a couple years you'll be thankful you invested in a CHEAP playstation3.

WII is good if you enjoy pratically gamecube graphics and all of the cute Mario games.

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That makes sense o you know if prices weren't continually dropping, PS3 is not the cheapest blu-ray player, just go take a look around there are cheaper and they are getting even cheaper that's to say if Blu-ray even wins this "war". Also LCD tvs are expected to drop in price signifcantly this year. so I don't get your point basically....are you saying it costs too muhc? Why waist your money on a substandard player built into the ps3 when you could wait 6 months to a year, find which format is currently winning choose that one and purchase the player for $200-300 dollars if that is what you are looking to do is play movies.

If you want to have fun and play video games, maybe the 360 or wii is a better option.

[PhrozenDragon]

You will never get Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy or Devil May Cry on a 360 or Wii. Therefore, I will not buy a 360 or a Wii.


almost every one is going to stick to dvd anyways.

Now where have I heard that before... Right! That's what the cassette-makers said when the CD came!
Seriously, there is no stopping progress. DVD WILL, and I stress WILL, disappear. The only question is whether HD or Blu ray follows it.
And what system works fawlessly from the beginning? None. If there are issues with blu ray these will be adressed. As I said, it isn't some shit-system Sony came up with in their sleep (read above posts).

[Carloseus]

actually, i think they are the dying stages of a disk. flash is whats going to be in. i mean, my Creative Zen vision: M can hold up to 30 GBs of storage, and can play videos on it. not only that, but all i need is an additional cable and i can hook it up to my tv so that whatever plays on the player plays on the tv. the technology will only get better, seeing as 15 years ago people would have never beleived that you could play a movie in your hand as you travel around. even 5 years ago it was barely an idea. my point is that flash will probably going to be the next thing, HD and Blue Ray being only a little fab.

sony didnt come up with the PS3, they took quite a bit of time to make it. after all, it was supposed to debut in around the same the 360 did, but instead took about a year to come out. even then, the 360 is still selling more than the wii and ps3 combined. not only this, but microsoft has had all this time to start working on a new system, a system that might better the ps3 for equal or lower price. im all for sony to make it, because competition lowers the price i have to pay for something, but sony has to step it up if they wish to exist in this four sided duel for supremacy.

[Christ]

Christ you obviously aren't a very big follower of digg. Let me point out some of the stories for you that show you why the ps3 will loose this time and the other systems are a better bet.

http://digg.com/gaming_news/Gabe_Newell_Says_PS3_Is_A_Disaster_Likes_Wii
http://digg.com/gaming_news/Game_Store_Employee_Does_Research_75_calls_a_day_f or_Wii_2_for_PS3
http://digg.com/gaming_news/The_PS3_truth_comes_out_Sony_missed_shipping_targe ts_by_500_000
http://digg.com/gaming_news/PS3_demand_slows_retailer_says_no_one_wants_them
http://digg.com/gaming_news/Carmack_It_s_not_like_the_Playstation_3_is_a_piece _of_junk_or_anything
read the article on that one
http://digg.com/gaming_news/Wii_Outsells_PlayStation_3_in_Japan

All front page stories from JUST the last 7 days, I hope that this shows you the advantages of buying another console, and that is developer support is going to be lackluster on the ps3. Sure the ps3 is pretty and cool and there may be a few games for it but ps3 has lost most of their prime time exclusives and there is little innovation for the system. So I say it's time to stop putting up with sony's arrogant crap and move on.

You're absolutely right about the digging :D and sorry for that but I don't have enough time for this stuff, but I appreciate it you showed me about the flaws of the PS 3

thx man :D

[Christ]

I think it just sucks that the Ps 3 inst available here, because then I could give my opinion about it and of the 360...
So I'll have to wait until March before I will know what is best...

[Christ]

blu-ray will die, its almost flawed in every way.
way more unstable, way more complicated and costly, the only supossedly good thing is that blu-ray is a bit faster(when it doesnt break) and the disks have more gigs on em, wich is totaly useless cause it looks shit, even not that much better then dvd.
atleast with xbox you can choose to get one or not.
btw none is going to buy a blu-ray so that means very little supply.
almost every one is going to stick to dvd anyways.
christ do you even have a ps3, cause im from belgium too (Lier) and ps3 wont launch till march, so as far as i know you didnt even play one game on the ps3.
yup i'm also from belgium (Hove) so it's not far from you and I don't have a Ps3, So I wasn't sure If I should have posted that...
Srry if I said anything stupid, but I just wanna SEE (not hear) what the Ps3 can do and what it can't

[Ferret]

the blurays hold about 55gb and the hd-dvds can hold around 30gb. and a first device was released by a smaller company that can read CDs, DVDs, BluRays, and HD-DVD. so, unlike tapes, they can take longer to phase out the dvds...

[AcidReign]

All I gotta say is- I'm fine with my Xbox 360. Playstation 3 sure is cool, but I'd rather get more bang out of my buck. I don't like Final Fantasy or Metal Gear Solid, so I really am missing nothing.

[Carloseus]

im gonna buy a 360, but if ever a ff7 remake or continuation came out i would jump up and buy then damn thing. its even hard to find it nowadays, because any ff7 game ps or pc is at least at 50 dollars.

the wii is for people that can only play with their wii. and they say wii while they play. i swear, at first i gave it a ok, before i saw people playing it. how are we supposed to play super smash on it if you are wacking anyone within distance? its absolutely retarded. if ever there was a girly game console, the wii takes the prize.

[Ferret]

oh, and the people who vouce for 360, its a good consol, but it cant play hd-dvd from the start. you need an external drive which is priced at another $200. you can see the xbox is catching up in terms of money when you want to use it for more than just gaming. in addition, the ps3 is VERY cheap when you compare it to other bluray players... just though i should throw that out. as well as linux being compatible on it :)

btw, hollywood said they will support bluray (not that i care about hollywood)

[Carloseus]

well, at the moment gaming consoles are used for that primary reason. microsoft offers the minimum and offers upgrade features while ps3 sports little choice between necessities and luxuries. i just cant go get the gaming parts and networking like in 360, you need to buy the blue-ray disk the speakers and the other stuff that comes with it.

[TwilightRealm]

eh im a fan of microsoft so my vote goes to the xbox 360. As for the ps3, to expensive, and if u look at the hardware the 360 has more capabilities for better graphics.

[PhrozenDragon]

eh im a fan of microsoft so my vote goes to the xbox 360. As for the ps3, to expensive, and if u look at the hardware the 360 has more capabilities for better graphics.
No, it doesn't. The only reason 360 may have for better graphics is that the PS3 isn't fully utilized by the developers yet.

And why oh why is the price so relevant. Really, if you want HD for the Xbox you pay the same price as for the PS3 which already comes with blu ray.

No, what I do believe to be the biggest dent for Sony is Xbox Live. That works much better for Microsoft, but I hope Sony fixes their system.

[Carloseus]

yea, the ps3 out muscles the 360. the problem there though is that games wont be able to take full advantage of that raw power for a bit more though. so it doesnt really do anything for the ps3 that it is more powerful. its like being more muscular in an online contest. maybe someday itll come in handy but til now it's not necessary.

again, microsoft has the ability to start accelerating way ahead of the ps3, because sony took too much time developing and even had to postpone the release date for a whole year. yea they added more stuff but many people quenched their thirst a year ago with a 360.

funny, because microsoft is waging war on all sides: operating systems with linux and apple, console gaming with sony and nintendo, pc gaming with all the pc game makers, mp3 players with apple again, and pretty soon the cell phone war with apple.

this is funny because microsoft is waging a war on all sides, and doing pretty good at all of them. mp3 sales are picking up for them, everyone who hates ipods and apple embrace the zune with open arms. back to the topic though, i think that microsoft might very well be the one who beats the competition.

microsoft=embodiment of us capitalism and success. (a little bit exagerated, but to a certain point its true)

[Doppelganger]

You will never get Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy or Devil May Cry on a 360 or Wii. Therefore, I will not buy a 360 or a Wii.


im not talking bout the games here, if i could i would buy them all
btw i probably will end up owning them all, but no way am i going to cough up the money there asking for the ps3 now.
Now where have I heard that before... Right! That's what the cassette-makers said when the CD came!
Seriously, there is no stopping progress. DVD WILL, and I stress WILL, disappear. The only question is whether HD or Blu ray follows it.

thats just not a valid argument.
they could come up with something new and better every year, that doesnt meen people will change there hole system every year to be able to run the new formats.
ofcourse someday dvd will disappear, thats pretty obvious and thanks for pointing that out for me, but its not gonna be now (talking bout mainstream consumers).
dvd will not die out in a matter of years, i just cant see hddvd or blu-ray taking over dvd before 5 years because it just cant give any major advantages over dvd vs price

And what system works fawlessly from the beginning? None. If there are issues with blu ray these will be adressed. As I said, it isn't some shit-system Sony came up with in their sleep (read above posts).

you have to think about this; they spend years upon years off development and ALLOT of money to blu-ray, in the mean time there bragging there asses off that there system is SO much better then its competitor's.
then it turns out it is nowhere as good as they let us believe it is, plus its very unstable.
i call this a little big slip up;)
So its only fair to give em a bit critique.

actually, i think they are the dying stages of a disk. flash is whats going to be in. i mean, my Creative Zen vision: M can hold up to 30 GBs of storage, and can play videos on it. not only that, but all i need is an additional cable and i can hook it up to my tv so that whatever plays on the player plays on the tv. the technology will only get better, seeing as 15 years ago people would have never beleived that you could play a movie in your hand as you travel around. even 5 years ago it was barely an idea. my point is that flash will probably going to be the next thing, HD and Blue Ray being only a little fab.

do you have any idea how much flash costs?
i do agree that flash is the future, as in taking over the usb-stick though.

im all for sony to make it, because competition lowers the price i have to pay for something, but sony has to step it up if they wish to exist in this four sided duel for supremacy.

i agree, i do not wish the ps3 to sell bad (or wii for that matter), it makes me sad when the game bussines in general does not well.
but you have to understand games are BIG bussines now, and with big bussines comes allot of marketing strategies, allot of lies to make people buy, and allot of mainstreaming, wich is not good for the creative games programmer that lives in the attic and tries to be original:)
(thats why i aploude xbox live arcade)
i dont worry bout ps3's future though, it will sell like mad anyways and i hope the wii sells good too, and the pc will forever be the platform for great games too.

[PhrozenDragon]

Successfully against Apple? They have about 70% of the market, Microsoft has 5%. They have a long way to go with Zune.

im not talking bout the games here, if i could i would buy them all
btw i probably will end up owning them all, but no way am i going to cough up the money there asking for the ps3 now.

I pointed out the games as a reason why it isn't important whether 360 "kicks ass". I'll stil end up with a PS3.

thats just not a valid argument.
they could come up with something new and better every year, that doesnt meen people will change there hole system every year to be able to run the new formats.
ofcourse someday dvd will disappear, thats pretty obvious and thanks for pointing that out for me, but its not gonna be now (talking bout mainstream consumers).
dvd will not die out in a matter of years, i just cant see hddvd or blu-ray taking over dvd before 5 years because it just cant give any major advantages over dvd vs price
Yes, they could come up with something new, and that's wha they did: HD and Blu ray. As to whether people will change their systems. We wil start replacing our systems faster as technology progresses. And as development speeds up the more we develop, we will start to replace our systems faster.
Price will go lower as time goes by, and I do not think it will be long before DVD becomes the new CD.


you have to think about this; they spend years upon years off development and ALLOT of money to blu-ray, in the mean time there bragging there asses off that there system is SO much better then its competitor's.
then it turns out it is nowhere as good as they let us believe it is, plus its very unstable.
i call this a little big slip up;)
So its only fair to give em a bit critique.


I do agree that they carried their launch away badly. But, even so, the system still surpasses the 360.

[Christ]

Man with all these posts about 360 vs Ps3 makes it hard to choose which one I would buy...

[Doppelganger]

I have to say one thing though that i completely agree on with phrozendragon; its about what games you want to play.
personaly i cant wait to play halo3, mass effect, halo wars, fable2, and allot more games that may or may not be available on ps3 too.
thats not to say i dont want to play mgs3, and im a real FFF (final fantasy fan) too, but i can wait a couple of years to play those.
so my advice is (to christ) go with what your heart says, and dont let the "wich system is better" get to you in making your decision.:)

[Doppelganger]

the wii is for people that can only play with their wii. and they say wii while they play. i swear, at first i gave it a ok, before i saw people playing it. how are we supposed to play super smash on it if you are wacking anyone within distance? its absolutely retarded. if ever there was a girly game console, the wii takes the prize.

im old enough not to care what people think of me when im enjoing a game.
if you only play games to be cool or go with the flow, then your not a real gamer in my eyes.

Are you kidding me? A blu-ray disk can store up to 50Gb!!!

more isnt always better, let me make a hypothetical example:
there are 2 developers.
the 2 differ in no way from each other, they have the same budget, same deadlines, same capabilities, same pressure to stand out with inovating graphics and the same pressure to sell the game, and so on.
the only difference is that the first developer has 8 gigs to fill, the second 50 gigs to fill.
lets now see how the 2 games compare to eachother.
the first developer (8 gigs)will be the slower one, because he has to clean up all underlying and useless programming lines, to free up some space.
the second developer (50 gigs) doesnt have to pay much attention to cleaning up all those useless programming, cause he has allot space to work with anyway. so the game will be completed faster.
an arguement could be that the second developer can pay much more attention to detail, for example in textures, cause he has much more space to play with, sadly thats not a valid arguement either cause the 2 developers has to take system reqs into consideration.
cause the clean up stage for the second developer is shorter, the game will have more bugs, and is more unbalanced, the detail in each game will pretty much be the same, the difference is that the first game will be more optimized, and plays better and faster too, because more of the unnecesary underlying code is removed.
also the first developer is more motivated to make use of innovating technologys (procedural proces for example, wich could make a game like dia 2 be only a couple of megabytes big, look at spore)

now let me stress you those examples are all hypothetical, and im not saying this WILL happen, there just some pointers to take into consideration and let you think about why more isnt always better:)

[Carloseus]

if you're going to bring up the ipod vs zune saying that apple has more dominance, well ill also say that microsoft is gaining ground compared to 0 percent in the market before the zune. the mere fact that they are making any impact on apple and the market makes it successful. remember also that microsoft is waging war in other fields, excusing them from focusing too much into the mp3 player war. remember that apple was slowing down on sales before the ipod. ipod in my opinion deserves the largest slice of the pie on the factors that saved apple.

[PhrozenDragon]

Yeah, the important thing is that you choose the system you like the most because of the games.
Look at me, even today I'm occasionally hammering away on my old faithfl Gameboy Advnce because of one game: Golden Sun. And I can safely say that if there is a sequel to that game on the Wii, I will buy it no matter what.

So, go with the games. (Does that mean this discussion is over? If so, this must be the least bloody debate in a longwhile ;) )

[Duncan]

No, it doesn't. The only reason 360 may have for better graphics is that the PS3 isn't fully utilized by the developers yet.

uhh...no shit sherlock? thats the most idiotic statement i have heard in this argument in a while...the 360 has only been out for a year or so. look back at ps2/xbox games from when they had been out for one year, and compare them to the games from the last few months. want to rethink your implications of the 360 being at its peak?

and thats not to mention that the ps3 really isnt the "powerhouse" it has been made out to be. the superhyped cell processor is a great processor....for home theater or general computing. for gaming, however....lets just suffice to say its not quite so amazing anymore. the ps3 was always meant to be your entire home theater and thats what it was built for...look at the new ps3 they are coming out with (rememberthe psx? think ps3 as one of those at a price currently speculated to be $2500)


And why oh why is the price so relevant. Really, if you want HD for the Xbox you pay the same price as for the PS3 which already comes with blu ray.

No, what I do believe to be the biggest dent for Sony is Xbox Live. That works much better for Microsoft, but I hope Sony fixes their system.

as for the fact that 360 + hd-dvd is the same price as ps3...the point is that 360 gives you the choice of whether you want to pay for a media format that may or may not fall into nothing in the next 6 months. if i get a hi def tv and hd-dvd becomes the format of the future (which it probably will, since bluray is about to pull a betamax), i can spend 250 bucks and have me a hd-dvd player. however with a ps3, i am forced to buy a bluray player...whether i want it or not. for those of us with money issues (even though im still in high school im already stuck with "ooh, you want that? have fun finding the money for it"), paying for something we arent asking for is a big issue.

[Carloseus]

dude, level it down a bit. its just a console. dont get all angry and stuff about it because if you dont want one just dont buy it.

[Duncan]

who said i was angry? it was idiotic, and i stated that :-p and actually, beyond that i dont even think it was in a hostile tone?

sorry, such blows flow thoughtlessly...the forums im used to have very few users so we all know each other enough to not worry about what people say...i apologize again and ill try to be more careful.

[PhrozenDragon]

uhh...no shit sherlock? thats the most idiotic statement i have heard in this argument in a while...
You know, there are more polite ways to express yourself.

Anyway. Yes, none of the consoles are fully utilized yet. But, the trick with the PS3 is that it's hardware is so different from earlier experiences the developers have had. So even though the 360 is not top-notch yet, the PS3 is in a worse position, since developers have to figure out how to do things first, before going on to improve graphics.

[Knuckle$2132]

PS3 will be amazing for the following reasons
Free online


Last time I checked Xbox 360 has free online too, you just get a silver account. I should know, I have one. :mad:

[Duncan]

yeah, phrozen, sorry about that. different forums have different ways of going about it...i should have stuck with somethin a wee bit more conservative as a rook here :p

anyway, as for the programming of the consoles....

its not like the 360 is just a regular xbox with some added RAM and an upgraded graphics card. the ps3 and the 360 are both pretty darned advanced, and programmers have a lot of work to do to get really great with either of them. i think the biggest issue will be with how different they are it is going to be VERY difficult to get out multiplatform games, as the games will have to be completely rebuilt to bridge the gap between systems. i personally think that one or the other will start to get more and more companies (especially with games made by smaller companies, as this isnt going to be an issue with, say, EA) that stop making games for whichever system either doesnt sell as well or is harder to program for, or that they as a company dont prefer...and that will be what defines who "wins" this generation.

that went completely off topic....the main point was that both systems are very complex and its probably going to be at least few years before we see either system get anywhere near its peak.

[PhrozenDragon]

I agree with that, multi-platforming will become increasingly more difficult. And while the 360 is also an increase in technology na construction, it still isn't as great as the Cell processor. The developers have to cpoe with that to,but not to the extent that PS3 developers have to. I got this from an article somewhere (I think it was IGN) when a developer was asked what they thought about building games for the PS3. But it was a long time ago, it's possible factors have changed since then.

[Duncan]

haha, the reason its difficult to program for is because its not a gaming-centric processor. its meant to be a full home theater/pc processor. that is why, despite the cell processor being more powerful than the processor of the 360, it doesnt mean that the ps3 is a superior system. the cell processor just isnt that great for gaming.

edit: alright, i felt kind of stupid repeating myself about the cell being not a great gaming processor with nothing else to back that up so i googled my way to an explanation...albeit one from a forum post, that explains why i say it.


The Cell CPU starts off with a standard PowerPC core that’s not unlike one of the cores in the Xbox 360. The next step is adding 8 additional SPEs, 6 of which are accessible to the programmer. These SPEs have a limited feature set and essentially are only useful for accelerating mathematical computations.

In a way, Sony’s vision for the Cell was different. Whereas Microsoft had come to the drawing board with a vision for the best gaming CPU, Sony had come to IBM and Toshiba to try to create something different, the fastest and most powerful processor for streaming data. From an engineering standpoint, the Cell processor is impressive, but the Cell is not purpose built for games. Dollar for dollar, the Xenon CPU is going to offer better overall performance

while i cant say that's an expert's summation (although i guess it could be), it puts at least a little bit of meat behind my claiming that the cell processor is overrated for gaming.
(http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/view_profile?user.id=1541699)

[PhrozenDragon]

True, the fact that Sony didn't build it themselves would have meant that IBM had to get something out of it, and i don't think they're too happy about having a pure gaming processor.
Let's rest this case now and get back to it in another three years :D

[Doppelganger]

the thing that interests me in the xbow 360 compartment are the 3 cores.
now i dont know this at all but i think the 3 cores will payoff in better performances then 1 super core.
the reason i think this is because more and more games offer great graphics with for example great physics, and so on,... it seems logical that 1 core in control of the graphics and 1 for the physics and the third for something else (maybe ai, because ai is becoming more advanced and is pushing the limits of processing power) would be more effective and efficient then 1 super core controling them all.
again, im totaly speculating here, so if im wrong, and the cores have nothing to do with seperatly controling aspects of a game, tell me plz.

[PhrozenDragon]

In fact they do, that is one of the main reasons tha dual-core is getting out. At least that's what I heard.

[Doppelganger]

yes i know dual-core, (quad-core, how fast is this gonna be?:)) boosts the performances greatly, but is this because of each core handling a different aspect of a game?
also, there is a trend to have, besides a graphical card, a physics card and there working on ai cards too, so is this relevant to the 3 cores a 360 has?
and with 3 of those cards would the processor become less important when it comes to gaming?

[PhrozenDragon]

No. No matter how serious your other hardware it, if your processor fails, everythings falls with it. Even though graphics cards increase performance, all calculations actions still have to pass through your processor.

[Doppelganger]

ofcourse, the processor now calculates physics and ai, but if we all have a graphics, physics and ai card in our system then those take the calculating strain the processor now has away.
thats not to say you dont need a processor then, im saying that even with a low to medium end processor the performance doesnt vary that much with a high end processor like it now does.
if it did what would be the point of having those cards? the graphics card was also invented to support the processor by taking over graphical calculations. now almost all games have physics and advanced ai though wich the processor has to fully calculate on its own.
so take away that strain and the processor only needs to process the information that has been calculated by those 3 cards.
but again i can be a bit wrong here

[Duncan]

just a thought:

while i wont even try to become a part of this portion as i dont really know my stuff, if having the three cards made the processor less important of a piece, why is it that companies are coming out with dual core processors rather than physics cards and ai cards?

i mean, its not money because buying a processor as one piece will be less expensive than buying the gfx/physics/ai cards seperately would.

i guess there could be the thought that a gfx card is intrical for a lot of business programs (design and such), whereas an a.i. card or a physics card would be less commonly useful for those doing business on their computers?

ah, the hell if i know.

[PhrozenDragon]

I might be wrong here, but this is how I understand it.
Everything passes through the processor eventually. Now the difference is who does the calculations. Even though you have a monstercard, directions must come from the processor, and the resulst from the card later returns to the processor. Now with the increase in graphics and other areas that we see, more and more info flow through the processor. The only way to keep up is to have one that is top-notch. Hence they evolve.

[Doppelganger]

I might be wrong here, but this is how I understand it.
Everything passes through the processor eventually. Now the difference is who does the calculations. Even though you have a monstercard, directions must come from the processor, and the resulst from the card later returns to the processor. Now with the increase in graphics and other areas that we see, more and more info flow through the processor. The only way to keep up is to have one that is top-notch. Hence they evolve.

yes you can be right about this.
as i more think about it it does seem more logical too, the faster and more advanced your hardware is the faster your processor must be to keep up with all that information.
but its to soon to tell if ai and in a lesser extent physics cards will become as mainstream like graphics cards now are, maybe in a few years time.
and if they do become a necesarity for gaming it will become an even more expensive hobby then it already is.

[PhrozenDragon]

Oh yes, but by all accounts it will overal beome cheaper.
Look at the first compter my family ever had. Macintosh from the 80's. I don't know the dollars worth back them, but it cost at least 3.000$. Black & white, two games, Word and Excel. That's basically it. Oh, and a Recycle Bin ;)

Today, we get top-notch for less than that. As we refine our technology and incrase the eficiency at which we produce hardware, it will become cheaper.

[Doppelganger]

the first computer i ever laid my hands on was my grandfathers computer.
i dont know wich computer it was anymore (cause i was like 5 or something), but it was before the days of dos.
hmm i gona ask him the next time i see him wich computer it was.

[Christ]

can we come back to the point please??
no offense I just wanna hear more about the Ps 3...
sorry if you still think I offended you...

[Ferret]

the processor still needs to compute the data sent from all the other components (gfx/ai/physics/sound etc) of the system for it to be displayed. this is where the current technology also requires better cores. a single core processor can infact get up to 3.8ghz, but anything over will create a big problem: heat buildup. the last thing you want to do is have awesome components and an increadible size of media to be pushed to a processor that MUST slow down the actions/per second so it doesnt fry. so, the new processors are now dual core going to quad core, which support less ghz but can still put out more calculations compared to single cores at higher ghz. it is estimated that once the designers fully utilize the blu-rays, the ps3 will still be able to pull so much info of them, that the ps3 will do 2 trillion calculations per second without overheating.
these calculations can be the velocity of a projectile, its trajectory, its point of impact, the result of impact, further physical alterations, and at what frame a certain sound is made. doesnt sound like much, but imagine playing a FPS with say 20 characters on the screen. have 3 of those throw a frag grenade, the rest tearing away with guns, the environment being mutilated, and stuff like corpses fly physically correct, yet different each time someone gets blown away. that is truly remarkable. in addition, the line of sigh you steer into also has to be computed.
with all these tasks, it is important to have powerful cards to compute, and a processor to carry it out. its also necessary to have good cards that fully utilize their power to do the most possible amount of calculations.

good cards, sucky procesor -> slow calculation
sucky cards, good processor -> disgusting results

thats why both need to be optimized to fit each other.

[Duncan]

ferret, do you have any idea how that will compare the the 360....numbers-wise?


and in case you didnt see before (rereading the thread i believe showed that you were talking about bluray being superior...correct me if im wrong)...sony signed the death certificate on bluray by banning commercial releases of porn on it. therefore, we are probably going to see hd-dvd mop the floor with bluray...

of course right as i typed that i was looking for some statistics i saw, basically pointing out how huge the porn industry is in terms of movie sales...and i saw a few articles with sony refuting the claim that they banned porn so we may have to keep watching this.

[PhrozenDragon]

Won't there be converters though? I mean, essentially the same files are on the different systems, they're just read differently. So an owner of a blu-ray could perhaps buy an HD-DVD and convert it onto a blu-ray disc. Correct?

[Ferret]

at the local shopette here we have 3 hd-dvds on sale. and about 30 blu-rays.
besides, sony said there wasnt gonna be porn for psp, and now... :D
the ps3 can go on internet (even got linux to work o_O), and im sure you can download and save to the hd. theres gonna be ways around everything. im sure the creator of the dvd wasnt like, ZOMG this is definantley gonna support porn. if he did, we live in a sick place :)
of course, this is surely not a con for the 360 either.

[Duncan]

....but that would be illegal :-p

and the point would be that you would need both a bluray drive/burner and a HD-DVD drive/burner in your computer. thats gonna still be a wee bit pricey by the time the race is decided (last i knew an internal bluray drive for your pc was about $500+ and i dont believe that was with a writer. well it might have been with a writer, i dont remember)...so i doubt many people have the money to invest enough in one that they are willing to buy both drives for their computer, get the software to rip change and burn...and then a player of the other type. this is a LOT of money we are talking.

but yes, it will be possible.

[PhrozenDragon]

Seriously, how many people pay any heed to copy-protections when it comes to digital information... Ooh, that's going into the next Philosophy thread. Great!
It will probably be expensive, but prices will fall.

[Ferret]

lol, i kinda stopped copying dvds cuz the last one i tried copying messed up my drive. it doesnt recognize blank cds, i tried everything from reebotin windows to taking the pc apart, nothin worked. i now have an external lightscribe (my 3rd one:D)
as to price, tvs were expensive too at one point, now you can get cheap one for less than 50 bucks. dvd players were expensive, now you can get them for $20. it will eventually come down. as will the ps3 i hope o_O

[Duncan]

well yes, they will fall....however, chances are one format will take complete superiority well before prices fall. i cant say i expect both to be around for 2 years or however long it will take for the patents to run out on the best/cheapest ways of making the players so we will see a coby hd-dvd or hitachi bluray player for $100 :-p

so therefore the issue is you will need a drive of whatever player dies out before they stop selling them due to their dying out.