R.i.p kc

[rrock54]

On this day 15 years ago Kurt Cobain was found dead at his Seattle home. Peace, Love, and Kurt Cobain.

[Ivaron]

Well, what do you want me to say? I'd listen to some Nirvana, but I don't have it on my computer..

Aaaanyway. Look around you man, alot of people die. Why is Kurt Cobain so special?

*Reads up on it on wikipedia... laughs at the people who killed themselves in his honor or something stupid like that*

[Equinox]

15 years ago? lol

[Legilimens]

Well, what do you want me to say? I'd listen to some Nirvana, but I don't have it on my computer..

Aaaanyway. Look around you man, alot of people die. Why is Kurt Cobain so special?

*Reads up on it on wikipedia... laughs at the people who killed themselves in his honor or something stupid like that*


Agreed. The guy played/wrote music......people need to move on.

[Robiwan]

R.I.P everyone who has ever died... and Kurt Cobain.

[Chemedeiros]

ya but kurt had a band that reached to top of music lists in the time of Disco...

i know a lot of ppl die and those stuff, but theres nothing wrong in have some "tribute" to someone we like, or respect... and KC was a part of my youth... so R.I.P.

[-Mephisto's Lament-]

Kurt Cobain, alongside Jimi Hendrix, is probably the most overrated musical figure in the world. The Ramones come in close second.

[Pryda]

Kurt Cobain, alongside Jimi Hendrix, is probably the most overrated musical figure in the world. The Ramones come in close second.

I agree. I only know one song by Nirvana (and you all know which one that is).. then again im not a big fan of that music style. Anyway he was a druggie that shot himself..

He does have a catchy name though ..

[-Mephisto's Lament-]

The only difference is that Jimi and The Ramones actually put out something good.

[Legilimens]

:offtopic: 999 posts ohhhhhhh snap! Agreed I never thought Nirvana did anything great.

[Ftero]

I am not even familiar with Kurt Cobain.

[-Mephisto's Lament-]

I am not even familiar with Kurt Cobain.

Are you serious? Lead singer of Nirvana?

Woohoo! 1K! (Although I got it before, but for some reason, my posts were set back?). I would like to thank Genesis, Siaynoq, PhrozenDragon, Jetrall, cheddar cheese, Zeus, Zombie Jesus, Socrates, Homer Simpson, and Suicide Minions (w00t! for Jihad!)..weeee..

[Ftero]

Yeah, I guess that just isn't the kind of music I listen to. :P

[Chemedeiros]

but kurt did something good for theyre time... like i said in a time were all music as disco music lol they came with some really alternative stuff.
but ya we cant compare nirvana to Hendrix... but they were also important for the music of the world.

[Chaosdragon94]

I've always hated Nirvana and Kurt...

[Blackwing]

I show no remorse for the death of Kurt Cobain, because he did it to himself.

[Dauroth]

I show no remorse for the death of Kurt Cobain, because he did it to himself.

Good thinking!

[Siaynoq]

Kurt Cobain, alongside Jimi Hendrix, is probably the most overrated musical figure in the world. The Ramones come in close second.
Thank you. Beats me why everyone thinks Kurt Cobain was that big of a deal. I think Elliott Smith did more for music than Kurt ever did and way fewer people gave a shit when died.

[Genesis]

I remember listening to Nirvana when I was 13

[Umpa65]

Wow...
I feel bad for the creator of this thread. If you dont care about him then don't post here.
Just about everyone had something negative to say and nobody sympathized with him at all. Thats fine if you do not share his same feelings but why be so negative about it? Idono...it kinda makes a lot of the posters on the thread seem like a bunch of rude ppl.

I'll add a positive.

I wasn't a big Nirvana fan but I like most of the music. Especially Lake of Fire. I thought that song was pretty cool.
It stinks that we have lost so many great artists to drug use.

[Jigsaw]

Its always sad when someone dies and the reason its a big deal is because nirvana was at a peak in popularity when he died so alot of people felt compassion.

[-Mephisto's Lament-]

I feel no compassion because he willfully did every shitty thing in his life. Drug==>suicide.

[Umpa65]

I feel no compassion because he willfully did every shitty thing in his life. Drug==>suicide.

Some people have self destructive behavior.

Those guys are completely surrounded by drugs and alcohol at all times. It's rare to find a rock star that doesn't fall to temptation

If you don't care to sympathize why rain on his parade? Kind of a dick move if you ask me. not specifically referring to you but rather all the people leaving negative comments.

[naksucow]

I feel no compassion because he willfully did every shitty thing in his life. Drug==>suicide.

some think that Courtny killed him... R.I.P. Kurt

[-Mephisto's Lament-]

Some people have self destructive behavior.

Those guys are completely surrounded by drugs and alcohol at all times. It's rare to find a rock star that doesn't fall to temptation

If you don't care to sympathize why rain on his parade? Kind of a dick move if you ask me. not specifically referring to you but rather all the people leaving negative comments.

Because I refuse to let people go mislead. I wasn't being negative, an asshole, or a troll or anything. I said he was overrated, and that he brought it upon himself..not like I'm lying. He knew the dangers of drugs, and he did it willfully. I have a really good friend who went into heroine, cocaine, ecstasy, ketamine, and all sorts of shit. I don't even speak to him anymore. Everyone tries to help a druggy friend, but when words go unheard, people give up. Similarly, I give up sympathy for any druggy who ended up dying, in whichever manner.

Temptation? Of what? Having money, and thus being able to buy drugs? Anyone can get drugs. Anyone. I can get heroine in under 30 minutes, for a fairly cheap price, but I don't. I'm sorrounded by drug sources all around, and alcohol sources all around. I'm neither a drug addict, nor an alcoholic. I drink, but I don't overdo it. I've tried weed, but I wouldn't try it again, and wouldn't try any other drug, fucking ever.

Anyway, even if you ARE sorrounded, that doesn't mean it's OK if you do use drugs. Tons didn't become addicts. Tons did become addicts, but emerged victorious. Look at Dave Mustaine.

[Ivaron]

The sad thing is that the people who are totally addicted often are worse off if people try to help them, because then they get angry about it and refuse to think about what they're doing. The only way these people can be helped is if they themselves realise what they're doing.
The same goes for people who are anorexic.. They want attention. So if you give them attention because they are annorexic (even negative attention) they will continue with what they are doing. If you ignore them - they might have a chance.

So everyone who is going "r.i.p. kc" and "my sympathies" and all that stuff need to think about what they're doing here. You want to know why celebrities are often drug addicted? Because they can't live without getting attention. They get so addicted to the attention that when they're at a low in their career and they don't get enough anymore, they start looking for other ways of getting that same feeling.

Some people could be reading this thread right now, you don't know how crazy they can get, and they will say "ah, that Kurt Cobain, you know he was fucked up but at least he got some attention. People still talk about him. That's quite a legacy to leave behind. You know what, maybe drugs aren't so bad after all."

Yes, there are definately people like that. Just read up on Kurt Cobains death, the proof is right there. Here's a translated quote from the Dutch Wikipedia site (I couldn't find this information on the English site so you can doubt how truthful it is but I'm too lazy to find some good English source because every google enquiry I make leads so some annoying recent articles about how great he was):

"On the 10th of April about seventhousand people came together for a memorial in Seattle. One of them was the 28 year old Daniel Kaspar, who shot himself afterwards. In other places of the world the notification of Cobains death also drove fans to madness. A teen in Australia committed suicide in honor of Cobain. In Turkey, a sixteen year old girl locked herself up in her room, put on Nirvana's music and shot herself through the head."

So in conclusion: stop giving these people attention.

[3CXOD]

I thought he killed himself because he never wanted all the fame..
I don't know about everyone else, but if you have a very successful band you are going to become famous in some point in time.

If you don't like the fame.. the don't play the game.

This may make me sound like an asshole.. but I'm only speaking how I feel on the issue.

I do like a few of the songs by Nirvana; but the band just isn't that high up on my music list - never really have been. =|

[TwilightRealm]

Kurt Cobain, alongside Jimi Hendrix, is probably the most overrated musical figure in the world. The Ramones come in close second.

Yeah i agree. Not trying to dis KC but just because his music got big doesnt mean he was really amazing. Id agree with Jimi Hendrix as well, although HE WAS amazing at guitar he is overrated. People worship him and surpass musicians such as Stevie Ray Vaughn.

[-Mephisto's Lament-]

People gave him credit because they know shit about guitarists. I doubt anyone knows who Mohammad Suicmez or Dave Mustaine is..at least the people ranking guitarists.

[blood-doll]

i've never heard anyone say that kurt cobain's music was good because of his guitar playing.
that wasn't it at all.
it was great because of his lyrics and emotion in his singing. it was great because it was unpretentious and so different from the prevailing hair bands of the 80s.
it was timing more than anything.. people were ready for a different kind of music that they could relate to.
he (kind of unwillingly) embodied the rejection and anger and broken heart of a whole generation.

but anyway i'm not gonna go into this.
it's obvious that most people here weren't a part of it, and no real point in explaining it beyond that it wasn't his guitar playing that made his music important to so many people.

rip kurt

[rrock54]

Well said blood-doll, at least one person gets it.

[-Mephisto's Lament-]

i've never heard anyone say that kurt cobain's music was good because of his guitar playing.
that wasn't it at all.
it was great because of his lyrics and emotion in his singing. it was great because it was unpretentious and so different from the prevailing hair bands of the 80s.
it was timing more than anything.. people were ready for a different kind of music that they could relate to.
he (kind of unwillingly) embodied the rejection and anger and broken heart of a whole generation.

but anyway i'm not gonna go into this.
it's obvious that most people here weren't a part of it, and no real point in explaining it beyond that it wasn't his guitar playing that made his music important to so many people.

rip kurt

Not really..tons of Metal bands back then, and even before Nirvana put out that portrait. It's just the people's fault for only listening to stuff that got through TV/Radio and not looking for what they wanted by themselves.

[blood-doll]

it's funny you say that cause nirvana started out as thousands of peoples' alternative to the stuff on the radio/tv.
but then the media got wise and picked him out for their poster boy.
he always had trouble with it because he was against the mainstream music culture.
but the more people that heard him, the more fans he gathered.
he sang what people felt and they rallied behind him.

i agree that there were lots of other good bands in the 80s (3 of my very favorite bands started in the mid/late 80s) but nirvana had the combination of appeal (what i previously posted) and exposure that led to its huge acceptance.

the change to a different mainstream genre has, in the past, many times been personified by a single artist or "cultural icon"

i can't understand the appeal of elvis, but i still understand why he came to have such broad appeal.
it doesn't even matter if you can't or don't want to understand or accept it.

i said i wasn't gonna try to explain it anymore, and i'm failing at that.
i just couldn't help replying to that media thing, because kurt really did have trouble accepting it.
and i can just anticipate your response, similar to a previuos one: oh he deserved it for trying to be a successful rockstar.. he didn't anticipate his success he just wanted to make music.

but it's like someone trying to explain hanana montanna or something to me.. i just don't care at all. i'm sure you don't care about cobain, so what's the point of talking about it.

to some of us, he mattered. the end
i'm seriously not replying again :P

[TwilightRealm]

Here's how it is imo.

If you liked Kurt Cobain's music, good, that is something you enjoy and I'm not going to say that his music sucked, but his guitar skills werent anything special, neither was his music in general to me, but people find what they want so there you go.

If people could relate to his music in the time great, but that doesnt include everyone.

Dont feel bad for someone that killed themselves, unless they had mental problems. Voluntary drug use mixed with obsession over a girl is not a good mixture. Him killing himself because he couldnt deal with fame, his drug addiction, and a girl is his own fault.

If you like him for his lyrics but not his musical talent that's your choice and not someone elses to judge. But in my opinion he wasnt all that great, and his lyrics werent that great imo either.

You can have good music and bad lyrics and it might still be okay. But not so good music with "good" lyrics usually isnt all that okay. Some powerchords and "decent" lyrics doesnt constitute for amazing music in my book. But to each his own.

[-Mephisto's Lament-]

Umm..Nirvana's music practically embody the mainstream passed their first two albums. They went from a slightly Metalish approach, to complete mainstream music, so don't tell me they were against it or anything. That's what I say.

I hardly find the idea of debating with someone that doesn't want to reply appealing, so whatever.

[TwilightRealm]

All mainstream music isnt bad, you make it seem that way. Most but not all. Also, what is mainstream in some countries is unheard of in others, just sayin. But KC in my opinion wasnt anything special, I have never wanted to just sit down and listen to Nirvana.

Edit: I missed my 800th post... o well.

[Murderface]

I feel nothing when listening to nirvana. As far as I'm concerned "KC" isn't even worth talking about. I will defend Jimi till the end though. No one can make a guitar sing like he could, emotion in guitar playing is just as important as technical skill, you can do arpeggio sweeps all day and still not invoke the kind of powerful feelings that castles made of sand or voodoo chile did. Michael Angelo Batio is widely considered one of the most skilled guitarist to ever walk the earth and even he tips his hat to Jimi (seen here). (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rutyA12z3Ok) I wont dispute that Dave is an awesome guitarist (Call of Ktulu, nuff said) but I've only ever heard one guitarist that was on par with the level of expression Jimi put forth in his works, and thats Don Ross (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkidVP0AcQ8).

[-Mephisto's Lament-]

Michael Angelo is a silly player. Not one musically knowledgeable person would tell you that he's got skills. Delve deep into Metal, and listen to the guitarists before putting out your judgment; because trust me, you can find better than Jimi.

[TwilightRealm]

Metal has some genuises when it coes to skills in guitar playing, but Jimi plays a different style of music, at which he was argueably the best at. Although I still gotta say, Stevie Ray Vaughn > Jimi Hendrix. Yeah they played different styles, but both played blues/rock, but Hendrix was more psychadelic of course. Thats my opinion.