How American are you?? [Archive]

FingolfinGR

09-12-2006, 10:04 PM

I was born and raised in Greece. I spent some years in Germany and could get german citizenship but i prefered to keep my own. Ofc i'd give my life for my country, as almost anyone else.

About the US i know people are the least informed people on the planet. I've been talking with several people from there and made that certain. Mainly i came to believe that the citizens of the US listen to so much propaganda that are led like sheep. If conservatism is what G. Bush stands for i'm totally against it. I still cant believe how he was elected twice already. I'd consider myself Liberal, Rightist too, and wouldnt see how u can be a rightist when u are against gay marriage. Personally i'm not for it, but not against it either. If they want to get married they should have the right to. I dont like abortion too, but i also believe its better to choose wether ur ready to bring a child to life or not.

I'm strictly against US politics when it comes to war. It starts from WW II with the use of nuclear weapons at a time the war was over. The ONLY use of nuclear weapons in history. The USA is the country with most weapons of mass destruction, that sponsored most dictatorships in the world (even Saddam Hussein they fought against - and that only after he chose to sell oil in euro) and invaded most countries without being in a war (bombings included). Even the one that organized 9/11 was trained by the CIA to cause trouble to the USSR at that time (i wonder why he's still free, arent u?).

I cant remember who it was that said that but its very right:

"Fighting for Peace is like Fucking for Virginity".

darkjay

09-12-2006, 10:08 PM

teacher of mine.... vietnam

FingolfinGR

09-12-2006, 10:10 PM

that was still an invasion on another country. I dont think it was the place of the USA to get there. In the end both sides ended up hitting the US troops, that wasnt clever. Same with Iraq (war against terror? none were trained there - war against weapons of mass destruction? none were found there either). I see something against Syria and/or Iran too and it wont be pleasant either.

Elfen Lied

09-12-2006, 10:12 PM

I like my steak 32 oz, my burgers as 2 140g all black angus beef paddies and saladless, my soft drink supersized, my cars from detroit, my SUV's huge, my women big breasted and blonde, my music heavy, the leader of my country a republican and my terrorist dead. i also support gay marriage so long a both chicks are hot, lol

damn crazy left wing liberals and their damn war protesting, if it werent for the Marines the would have the freedom to speak their f ed up minds! go the Green Machine! Semper Fi!

and im not even from the good old US of A, (well i did live in Virginia for 6 months) the best damn country in the world, although not being able to buy booze til you 21 is a downer, you can go to war at 18 get your leg blown off and when you come home, you cant even get a beer, something needs to be done about that.

darkjay

09-12-2006, 10:14 PM

ill just go to canada lol... where'd u live in virginia??
and gj, im hungry for a big ol steak now

Elfen Lied

09-12-2006, 10:16 PM

Chesterfield, its about an hour south of Richmond if i recall

darkjay

09-12-2006, 10:16 PM

ive been through thier once or twice lol

oo and about this gay marrage... they cant bring religion into politics thus making gay marrage legal, and i support it... as elfen said, as long as both women are hott

FingolfinGR

09-12-2006, 10:20 PM

Marriage is only a way to make ur relationship more serious. It doesnt have to be in a Church (theres a marriage done by a mayor or so, aint that right?). It wouldnt change much in society, since the couples are there anyways. I would be hesitant to talk about a gay couple adopt a child, that would be too progressive even for me :P
But anyways, u cant accept 2 gay women and not 2 gay men.

darkjay

09-12-2006, 10:21 PM

i was just joking... im perfecly fine with gay marrage... if they dont get married they will still have sex anyway so what does it hurt??

FingolfinGR

09-12-2006, 10:22 PM

that was my point ;)

Elfen Lied

09-12-2006, 10:23 PM

the whole 'i support gay marriage so long as both chicks are hot' is from a t-shirt, there is also a 'i support solo moms' with a silhouette of a stripper on it

darkjay

09-12-2006, 10:24 PM

i love that shirt haha

AcidReign

09-12-2006, 11:36 PM

This country of ours truly does ROCK - I love it and would love to be a part of the armed forces protecting it, but I am not. I am instead going to college to become an engineer - to engineer things this country needs and will prosper from.

God Bless the USA

P.S. - I'm conservative, but I disagree with only a few of their views.

Diamondshade

09-13-2006, 12:01 AM

i love this country so much i would give my life for it. my parents feel the same despite their roots. i believe in conservatism, a rightist. im against gay marriage, abortion, war protesters, liberals, and many more.

point is that im as american as they ever can be. how about you??
I was born and raised in Texas. I love this country so much that I might give my life to protect it IF that were even remotely required in this day and age (it's most definitely not). I believe gay people that choose to have a life together should have the same legal rights as others. I believe abortion is a blessing to those who are unable to care for a child or have been raped. I believe the war in Iraq was built on a foundation of lies, and that we SEVERELY overstepped our bounds in going there.

Point is...I, too, am as American as you can be, and NO ONE should think that just because they have a particular set of beliefs, they represent this country as a whole. America is a diverse mixture of ideas and ideals, and the intolerance, dishonesty, and idiocy shown by the current administration is making this country's name look worse than it already is. Not everyone in America believes it's God's will that we rule the world, and not everyone from Texas is as stupid as our current president.

AcidReign

09-13-2006, 01:24 AM

Bush isn't as bad as people say he is. He isn't perfect, but at least he doesn't pussyfoot around like Clinton did.

DeMinD

09-13-2006, 01:58 AM

My name is Anthony 24 born and raised in the USA and i think america is the bigest peice of shit counrty i have ever lived in. Yes when i was young i was blind but know i and older i can see the truth the corruptrion. The hate and brain washed poeple. For instance why would u be agianst gay marrige? im not gay but i feel that if u are gay u should have the same right as any one esle. Isent that what america is all about Freedom? Now i know some of u guy will dissagree with me and be all pissed off because trops are dieing to keep me safe in this country and yes i respect that an bless them BUT at the same time these trops that are dieing are beening sent to war for the worng reasons Power / Money / World control these thing do not protect me as a matter fo fact the make my country alot unsafe to live in. Now i could go on and on and on about corruption in our country and tell you why if all fucked up but theres no need because unless u become corrupt yourself as time passes u will see the truth, and it sick it wrong. And another thing dont think im just hating on the US because there alot of plsces in this world that have corruption. And it just as bad as USA the only differance if US has the money and smarts to fool the people and in other countrys they dont they just use guns... PS FUCK BUSH :) i hate him and when i say fuck bush im not just bush bashing in bashing all of they Dick chany / RICE... Every ony in the cabanet they r all corrupt whether they know it or not. People can be fooled that they are doing right when they have no idea what the true out come is.... ok i stop now because im wrighting a book ..... dont forget what im saying 20 years from now just remeber that fat guy was right an i was blind. Your hole life has been training u the way u are now the way u think , act , react , and that no secret Just remeber ...... BY THE WAY WHEN THE FUCK IS DIABLO 3 COMING OUT OR ATLEAST A DAMN PATCH OR EVEN A LADDER RESET WOULD MAKE ME HAPPY...........Diablo perfict example of USA and BAAL is winning lvl up your minds poeple

Krigart

09-13-2006, 04:03 AM

Bush isn't as bad as people say he is. He isn't perfect, but at least he doesn't pussyfoot around like Clinton did.

So what you actually are telling me that you don't mind have a War Lord as president who invades everyone that he sees fit. But a person who made a mistake and put his c*** in the wrong hole is not worth jack shit???

FingolfinGR

09-13-2006, 07:33 AM

ffs, Bush is the stupidest man i've ever seen on TV (and i've seen quite a few, believe me). Putting him to lead a world power like the US is as dangerous as allowing a 5 year old child play with an AK47. Where was he when there was none to tell him what to do? A person who attacked Iraq and when they asked him why he replied "Saddam tried to kill my father"? Thats just insane. Most people in the US are brainwashed just like that other guy earlier said. And just as he said the way the US act in outer politics (did i say that right?) makes it even more dangerous for the people that live in there. In other words it gives people a motive to attack the US (i wouldnt consider them terrorists tbh if u dont consider the US terrorists for attacking these countries in the first place).

DeMinD

09-13-2006, 07:54 AM

Right on man

Obsolete_hi

09-13-2006, 07:55 AM

I was born an raised in New Jersey, I too am Mexican/American. My mom is white and my dad is mexican. I have been raised in a white neighborhood all my life and I have come to be like them. I do not consider myself mexican, because I do not speak spanish, and I do not look like a mexican, I resemble an italian because of my skin color. I love my Harley(it's my second girlfriend ;)). Any how I love America :P It is so fun to go to New York and see so many different people. I mean its like a melting pot of so many nationalitys. You can hear like 6 different languages by walking a block(I learned some Russian from these people) and it is just great :/

DeMinD

09-13-2006, 08:00 AM

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Azurewrath

09-13-2006, 08:41 AM

Even though I was born and raised in Holland my dad's Americain and I go to the USA at least once a year. Recently I have gone to the USA for an exchange project and learned some more about americain ideas. I have noticed a lot of people are against the war, but what would you what do if you were bush and america was attackted and defined by Saddam. Ofcourse you retaliate. Otherwise more would follow. if you are a powerfull nation you should expect to defend that reputation.

AcidReign

09-13-2006, 09:16 AM

So what you actually are telling me that you don't mind have a War Lord as president who invades everyone that he sees fit. But a person who made a mistake and put his c*** in the wrong hole is not worth jack shit???

Well, I'd rather have a president that actually retaliates back against our enemies rather than sitting there, only launching a few missiles and quitting - like Clinton.

Carloseus

09-13-2006, 10:21 AM

Obsolete_hi

09-13-2006, 10:24 AM

I agree with getting the assholes that attacked us and "harbored" the enemy. We have to protect our beliefs and way of life. If we show weakness other nations will take advantage of that. The one thing I do not agree with, is spending money on another country when our country has a big debt to pay off and our school system is getting less and less money.

AcidReign

09-13-2006, 11:03 AM

We need like 20 more years with Ronald Reagan...

SilVerSurFnStud

09-13-2006, 12:52 PM

AmErica F*ck Yeah...freedom is the ony way..America F*ck yea....

team america that movies rocks

usa all the way

Krigart

09-13-2006, 01:33 PM

amen acid. we dont like pussies. clinton was a pussy. now if we remember clinton, he invaded iraq too as well as other countries. and this was because he was pissed off. if you dont believe bush is doing a good job and that the next republican wont either then dont vote for them. you have a voice, use it. there is a system in place that was put there back in 1776 when this country was founded so you cant say that jews control it because they dont.

Well Carlo. If my memory is correct I think it actually was George W Bush's father (George Bush) that invaded Iraq the last time. (I might be wrong tho, so don't shoot me.) Well not exactly, he defended Kuwait from the Iraq invasion. And they never invaded Iraq, just pushed them back to a safe distance. And remember that the first time they fought the Iraq's they had masive support from NATO. The last time they hardly got any support at all.

Well, I'd rather have a president that actually retaliates back against our enemies rather than sitting there, only launching a few missiles and quitting - like Clinton.

The funny thing with this is that US fights against the same people and regimes that they supplied weapons to when the cold war was at it's worst.

So bottomline, I understand why anyone would retaliate on an attack like 9/11. But I think the US government was a little bit too hasty about pointing fingers and attack other contries. They still havn't shown any proff that Iraq had weapons of massdestruction. And they seem to lack the ability to understand that many of todays war or terrorist attacks is not about weapons or economy but instead religious beliefs. If you take a look back in history you would be amazed how many wars or invasions have started from religous beliefs.

There will always be a******* in the world, and thats a fact. Question is how we deal with them. Should we shoot them because they don't believe in the same things that we do? And don't act like we want them too? Is that the solution? Should we all believe in the same things? Eat the same food? And like the same girls/boys? Drive the same cars? The list goes on and on. People needs to take a step back and try to remember back in history. WW2, is that what we want all over again, but this time in a bigger scale? My guess would be NO.

Biggest problem today is that people don't understand other people, or simply don't want to understand other people. Religous belief or not. They are all so caught up in the idea that they are the ones that have all the answers, and can't see things from the other side anymore. We all need to start axcepting that other people, contries and religions are different, and think/act different. So we need to start showing that we do care about the world and the people living on it. And stop putting weapons in their faces as soon as they act different from what we think should be right. And that my fellow Diablo friends is my opinion on the subject.

Damn this got a lot longer than expected. ;)

Carloseus

09-13-2006, 03:18 PM

The funny thing with this is that US fights against the same people and regimes that they supplied weapons to when the cold war was at it's worst.

So bottomline, I understand why anyone would retaliate on an attack like 9/11. But I think the US government was a little bit too hasty about pointing fingers and attack other contries. They still havn't shown any proff that Iraq had weapons of massdestruction. And they seem to lack the ability to understand that many of todays war or terrorist attacks is not about weapons or economy but instead religious beliefs. If you take a look back in history you would be amazed how many wars or invasions have started from religous beliefs.

There will always be a******* in the world, and thats a fact. Question is how we deal with them. Should we shoot them because they don't believe in the same things that we do? And don't act like we want them too? Is that the solution? Should we all believe in the same things? Eat the same food? And like the same girls/boys? Drive the same cars? The list goes on and on. People needs to take a step back and try to remember back in history. WW2, is that what we want all over again, but this time in a bigger scale? My guess would be NO.

Biggest problem today is that people don't understand other people, or simply don't want to understand other people. Religous belief or not. They are all so caught up in the idea that they are the ones that have all the answers, and can't see things from the other side anymore. We all need to start axcepting that other people, contries and religions are different, and think/act different. So we need to start showing that we do care about the world and the people living on it. And stop putting weapons in their faces as soon as they act different from what we think should be right. And that my fellow Diablo friends is my opinion on the subject.

Damn this got a lot longer than expected. ;)

well i agree with you. however if we would have been too hasty with pointing fingers then there wouldnt be any arabs or muslims here. other countries round them all up and kill them. thats what terrorists do, only they videotape the captive being beheaded savagely.

i agree with you that there will be always be evil. and we must know how to handle it. and that people will always disagree with others. a good example of disagreement is this. i disagree that we should open our arms and embrace them. simply because they like to put explosive vests on and run to us. how can you logically convince or make peace with someone that will blow himself up?? these people hate us, our culture, our success. they have started a religious war, radical muslims against everyone else.

you mentioned WW2. in WW2 hitler wanted an aryan race. so he basically made temporary allies with japs and russians for that little bit. in the end he wanted to stab them all in the back. why did we shoot them and use our guns and stuff?? because he wanted to cleanse the land and human race of all impurities. because he was killing millions of people whether they were jews or not. see the similarities?? Bin Laden also wants to cleanse the land of all else but radical muslims. he wants to kill millions of people. only thing different here is that they are waging a psycological (forgive me for that spelling) warfare. this time they are strategically attacking us at big places for the citizens to loose moral.

if we retreat and give up we loose. not just this war on terrorism but forever. no one else will stand up but the US and israel. israel is the first to go should they win. the UN is an organization of weaklings. they wont stand up either. if the US does not answer this threat we will not answer later. this is why we went into iraq. to plant the seeds of democracy and remove a very oppressive government. iraq was the big boy on the block in the middle east. what happens when it starts to thrive and people there are happier and safer and richer?? if you are starving and you see that the person next to you is offering a solution what do you do?? you take it, or at least try it. that is what is happening with iran. they are seeing iraq getting better than it was and are starting to see that they dont have to put up with their government.

the founding fathers believed in individual rights. rights a person had that no one could take away. they believed it was the responsibility of a government to protect those rights. when the government didnt meet those responsibilities it was the right of its people to remove it and establish a new government that would work. we are simply trying to expand this ideal. all people have a right to freedom. even those in other countries.

my opinion is that we are sticking guns in the face of terror. where do you all get your information?? cnn?? the local news?? well to let you know, they just tell you the bad stuff. they are all leaning towards the leftists. they dont like the war. so they tell you all the bad stuff to get you to not like the war as well. they never talk about the people we save everyday. they never mention the good we do there.

that my diablo freinds is my report of facts, not just my opinions.

Obsolete_hi

09-13-2006, 03:36 PM

Heh I love the sex scene in Team America it is so damn funny...

FingolfinGR

09-13-2006, 04:08 PM

what most people in the US dont understand is that their government gives whoever a reason to put an explosive vest and blow up. You people dont know that the US sponsored and sold weapons to both Iraq and Kuweit during that war? U dont know that they supported Saddam at that time?
Didnt u know how the US government strengthened the Taliban when they caused trouble to the USSR? Jesus, what do u know, people? How misled can u be?

In the WW II Germany was the main evil, but who doesnt remember that the United States only joined the war after the Japs attack on Pearl Harbor? U didnt fight for the world, u fought for urselves. And the world nowadays only gets messed up by the way the US act. There's no peace in Iraq after the invasion (cause it was an invasion). Only another civil war. There was no attack from Saddam. He only tried to financially strengthen his country (by selling oil to europeans in euro instead in US dollars, thats why Bush rushed to set his target to Iraq). Now he wants Syria and Iran too. Thats how u defend urselves? destroy anyone that might evolve to something good? Thats just weak.
And if Bin Laden caused such a threat to mankind then the CIA shouldnt train and arm him against the USSR when they did. Oh, one more thing: Did u know that the ones that had most profit of the 9/11 and the invasion to Iraq were family Bin Laden and family Bush? And Bin Laden is still free and alive, willing to give a reason to the US to attack more countries. How convinient, isnt it?

About Israel now, i understand they had a reason to defend themselves, but the massacre of the children and the other people that werent in Hizbolah made them loose that right. They really managed to make everyone accept Hizbolah as the Lebanese Rebel Army. I dont want anyone to live in fear. The Israeli do that. But the Lebanese too, cause of the frequent bombings to the southern borders... And a war isnt the way to make peace. think of that.

FingolfinGR

09-13-2006, 04:11 PM

the founding fathers believed in individual rights. rights a person had that no one could take away. they believed it was the responsibility of a government to protect those rights. when the government didnt meet those responsibilities it was the right of its people to remove it and establish a new government that would work. we are simply trying to expand this ideal. all people have a right to freedom. even those in other countries.

The current US government doesnt protect the individual rights of anyone. Not even the citizens of ur own country. Especially not the rights of others. Invasions and bombings for oil, financial reasons and to test new weapons (see Yugoslavia). U cant persuade anyone with this.

FingolfinGR

09-13-2006, 04:17 PM

my opinion is that we are sticking guns in the face of terror. where do you all get your information?? cnn?? the local news?? well to let you know, they just tell you the bad stuff. they are all leaning towards the leftists. they dont like the war. so they tell you all the bad stuff to get you to not like the war as well. they never talk about the people we save everyday. they never mention the good we do there.

In my opinion ur more of a terrorist than these guys. These countries that actually train these guys (the ones not trained by the US at least). If u were a citizen of these countries wouldnt u want to retaliate from the countless attacks to your and your fellow countries? (Arabs, Vietnamese etc). Try to be reasonable, and not just run to shoot someone that has nothing to do with it. Try to look from the point of view of another to get it right. I'm neutral, i've seen both sides. I can hardly believe how people in the US think and let a retard like Bush lead them.

Carloseus

09-13-2006, 04:58 PM

fingolfinGR i respect your right to say this but your full of crap. do you honestly believe what your saying?? your saying the US government is all powerful. well, its not. we choose who to elect. i personally feel that we need another civil war right about now. that way we can kick out all anti-americans and all those who are too weak to stand up for what they believe. i dont agree 100% on the stuff our leaders are doing but i do know that people elected them, they didnt force their way up there. if they did we wouldnt have them there because we would probably revolt.

now i do understand both sides. for example: im hispanic and i get a front row seat on the immigration issue. i have family that wants to come here. my dad came in illegally. that does not justify anything and i still say its wrong. reason is that it was illegal. my dad is legal and has been for about 18 years now and he also believes its wrong to cross over illegally. however we do understand the circumstances and do know why they must do so.

i know the whole situation in the middle east. we gave bin laden weapons so that afganistan (sorry if i spelled it wrong) could fight back against the russians. we did wrong. so what?? that does not mean a thing now because we are trying to fix it.

you called me a terrorist. you are wrong. how can i be a terrorist if i dont terrorize anyone?? im not taking over a plane and ramming it into a big building in hopes that it collapses and kills thousands in and around it. if you were to go to iraq when we took down saddam you would see people crying of joy, hugging soldiers, willing to do what it took to pay back america for what we have done. we did good and continue to do good. i think you are just looking at what the media is telling you. too much i have heard the gloom and doom from the left. "we are killers" "temperatures continue to rise, if you dont limit your fuel consumption you are killing your planet" crap like that. why arent people given the chance to tell the world the good things that are resulting from our actions in iraq?? they had elections there. hundreds got in lines to make their first vote, to speak out for the first time how they wanted to run things.

you better also restate your comments on oil. i will tell you that we have not been getting any more oil from the middle east than we were before the war. the reason its so high is because of china. china is growing, and growing countries need their vitamins and minerals. (pardon the pun on minerals)

the us did join only after the japs attacked, your right. BUT, we needed an excuse to join. we wanted to join. but how else can you join the fight if no one has attacked you?? you can't in good reason just join a conflict if no harm has been done to you.

you underestimate me. i know about all our dealings there. i am the exeption however. most of my country doesnt know, or is misled. but its all the left. i am conservative.

i would like to make a last comment in this post. i think that the world does not understand the gravity of the situation. people like you rally on the terrorists side. we dont need more evil. we dont need more genocide. as far as i can tell the US is far from that. the terrorists are aiming for that. the kill everyone that is not of their views. we at least respect difference. what we cant stand around and try to negotiate about however is the potential harm of our country. the terrorists attack us, we attack them. that is all the simplicity i need. why should we hold back when they are trying to blow us all up??

ok. i have had my views. you all know how i would solve the problem. no more arguing. i would just like to know what your solution to this problem is. tell us your solution and your reasoning behind it. dont post stupid comments. this is the time for honest, true, and intelligent debate.

darkjay

09-13-2006, 04:59 PM

hey if u consider us a threat do something...

but seriously i may not like the war but i will support our troops no matter what, they have the guts to fight wars to protect our freedom

darkjay

09-13-2006, 05:01 PM

its all about who is seen as the greater enemy at that time.... back hten it was the USSR

FingolfinGR

09-13-2006, 08:23 PM

you (by this i mean and ment the whole nation) only know what they let you know. We're outside we're more informed. How can u talk about genocide when its mostly non-military people that get hit by bombs in countries u dont have any right to invade to? I'm not with the people that crashed the airplains in these buildings (it was US governments work to train them anyways) but i'm not with the US either. I'm with the ones that get slaughtered, no matter who it is (Lebanese, Iraqi, Israeli, Yugoslavian or even Vietnamese at some point). Its all political play and invasions. If u really know whats going on and still believe what ur saying then i'm just sad for you. Saying ur all about whats right and doing everything against that. I cant see any logic or sanity about that or the warhunger ur president is up for (tbh i dont really believe he was fairly elected both times).

try to think about everything from the other side. that way u'll be able to see urself clearer. It might help u to get a better person and fix some things in you that are most likely wrong.

FoA

09-13-2006, 09:21 PM

im not american at all mohahaha!

from all ive heard i dont wana be american ether

too many asian / niggas ova there

yuck.

ThatDude

09-13-2006, 09:52 PM

Depends on where u live, FoA. Ive lived in america my entire life, its just like any other normal country, except every other person you see is a different ethnicity. ive never been into politics, and nor will i ever be, apathy is the way 2 go :)

FoA

09-13-2006, 09:54 PM

australia all the way!

Carloseus

09-13-2006, 10:02 PM

i like australia. its nice there. many climates scattered around a small island. but i still love my good ol' US of A.

FoA

09-13-2006, 10:09 PM

its not a small island unless ur talkn about tasmania

darkjay

09-13-2006, 10:10 PM

i hate politics... it gets way to messy...

FoA

09-13-2006, 10:12 PM

hahaha ye just let me 1 person b incharge b alot easier.

ThatDude

09-13-2006, 10:48 PM

You be in charge? say good bye to asians, lol. Ive always wanted 2 visit australia, its jsut 2 damn far away

FoA

09-13-2006, 10:51 PM

ROFLMAO true true no asians aloud lmao

DeMinD

09-13-2006, 11:20 PM

Well, I'd rather have a president that actually retaliates back against our enemies rather than sitting there, only launching a few missiles and quitting - like Clinton.

Acid reign i have only read to of your post and all i have to say is your a moron!!!! Im not ganna start with u PS your are very foolish

Moonek

09-14-2006, 05:49 PM

I'm an American and when i grow up me and a couple of guys are going to go to Rhode Island, overthrow the government and make it communism. Them are my future plans. lol jk

seriously i'm happy i live in american and not no where else
USA USA USA

Carloseus

09-14-2006, 07:15 PM

Acid reign i have only read to of your post and all i have to say is your a moron!!!! Im not ganna start with u PS your are very foolish

wow dude. one of the major rules to be taken seriously is to post reasons for saying something. you do a good job doing that.

Fudlow

09-15-2006, 01:54 AM

dam, whats up with all these left wingin haters?! for those of u that are american and are hating on bush, you'll see in like 10 years how 'stupid' he was when we dont rely on other countries for our dam oil. im not really a polititian, but that's how i feel. i need to listen to AM talk radio more :D

Fudlow

09-15-2006, 01:59 AM

haha, i got an answer to all those questions regarding why we're in the middle east. you gotta let the big dogs eat! yeah whatever im ignorant, thats why im not the president haha

Carloseus

09-15-2006, 02:02 AM

thanks fudlow. you at least have some sense. i shower whatever light is in me onto you. you are from now on my left hand man. (remember that im left handed)

FingolfinGR

09-15-2006, 10:58 PM

accepting the fact the US use their power for financial reasons to supress other countries only makes u part of the crime (since ur citizen of the country ofc).

Kill one and your a murderer;
Kill many and your a hero;
Kill them all and your a GOD!!!!

i'd say it another way:

Kill one and your a murderer.
Kill many and your a hero.
Kill them all and your all alone.

thats what about to become of the US. they'll be left alone to spoil the world. At least there are some that try to do something to avoid it...

Carloseus

09-17-2006, 08:23 AM

Elfen Lied

09-17-2006, 04:21 PM

i thought it was

If you kill one man you are a murderer
If you kill ten you are a monster
If you kill a hundred you are a hero
If you kill ten thousand you are a conqueror!

Carloseus

09-17-2006, 06:53 PM

there are different variations to it.

FingolfinGR

09-17-2006, 08:39 PM

lol. the kill them all is not a reference to everyone around you. it means everyone that is your enemy. if you remember right then you would remember we have many allies. people blowing themselves up, beheading captives in camera, oppressing women, promoting evil, hating good (democracy) is not a valid argument dude.

u cant force democracy. It has to come by itself. Happened everywhere that way. Even Saddam that i dont really like kept balance in Iraq. Now that the "good" government - the one the US wanted - was established there's a civil war, good job. The oil prices went up too, that suits the US even more so mission accomplished. Most allies of urs are allied to protect themselves from you. I consider myself really lucky that there's not much oil in my country, so it wont suit ur country to bomb me cause i dont freely give it away to you.
About the ones beheading the captives... did u ever watch the videos of the pride of ur army doing (sexually related) things to your captives in Afghanistan and in Iraq? I did. It was sick. In fact as sick as the beheading videos. Spare me with the "we promote freedom crap", we all know its only about money and world domination.

in the middle east though we dont have that time nor are we on the other side of the table from a reasonable leader. these people in iran are trying to make a nuclear weapon which spells devastation to israel and a problem to us all, not just the USA.

To get the technology for a nuclear weapon it takes years of research or a really brilliant mind. In Iran there's none atm. They develop the technology to use nuclear energy, not create a bomb. If i also remember right the only use of nuclear weapons in history was from the US when the war was over. It didnt only kill the people in these cities in Japan, but also managed to keep the next generations full of cancer and such. To me its the 2nd worst war crime after the holocaust.

lol. im glad you are so grateful. we give you food, ways to make money, and you just call us criminals. fine. i accept that. you were born with freedom, you have always had the business of the united states. you are on the exact opposite side of the "oppressed countries" we target. you dont and probably will never know what it feels like to have that taken from you. they have never been given it.

if i remember right (and i think i do, i payed very much attention in school in history class) we freed ourselves without any help from any other nation. I have the luck to come from the very country that invented Democracy and know everything about it. I also happen to know about free will and other terms like that.
How would u define "opressed country" btw? the only "opressed countries" i've seen u targeting were the biggest oil producers around. I dont agree about the way Bush sees freedom. To him a nation is free from the leader he doesnt want them to have. There are many known dictatorships sponsored by the US so spare us with the "freedom to the world" crap once again.
And the only food you gave us is junk food, so please take it back.

in truth, we are there for money. we abolish the oppressive government there and establish better ones like ours there.

first part is right. You are there for the money. Second part is full of shit. Its more like: "You abolish any government that wont do what you want them to and establish one that will do exactly as you tell them so they'll give you more profit."

money isnt everything, i know. its family, love, freindships that are. but also, you are in a lot better position to be happy if you have money. for example:
(A) you have a wife/husband, three excellent kids, great friends, but you dont make so much money. because of this you must spend more time at work and your wife as well. in this way you dont have time to celebrate this time with those you love.
(B) you have a wife/husband, three excellent kids, great friends, and you make a good paycheck every month. because of this you have more time to play, have fun, and raise your kids. your wife is happy, your friends come over every so often and you all laugh in the backyard while the kids play and you celebrate some holiday. you have more than enough time to enjoy the good things in life with more money.
your pocket is the extent of your happiness.

i agree with your point here but i'd like you to answer to a question i have:
Is it right to rob from a country the chance to have what you said to add more chances to your country to get that? (even though its more likely that the rich would only get richer and the poor would remain poor - thats whats happening - and the education in the US isnt good either... its easier for the governments to manipulate uneducated people anyways).

Answer to the question and i'll tell you what i think about it.

Elfen Lied

09-17-2006, 08:54 PM

maybe the title of this thread should have been 'How stereotypical American are you?' then we would have had some cool answers much like my earlier post

I like my steak 32 oz, my burgers as 2 140g all black angus beef paddies and saladless, my soft drink supersized, my cars from detroit, my SUV's huge, my women big breasted and blonde, my music heavy, the leader of my country a republican and my terrorist dead. i also support gay marriage so long a both chicks are hot, lol

damn crazy left wing liberals and their damn war protesting, if it werent for the Marines the would have the freedom to speak their f ed up minds! go the Green Machine! Semper Fi!

and im not even from the good old US of A, (well i did live in Virginia for 6 months) the best damn country in the world, although not being able to buy booze til you 21 is a downer, you can go to war at 18 get your leg blown off and when you come home, you cant even get a beer, something needs to be done about that.

Carloseus

09-17-2006, 08:54 PM

the answer to this question is simple. no its not right. but countries have done so for thousands of years. doesnt mean we do it. about your comment about rich getting richer and poor getting poorer, that is absolute bullcrap. especially here in the US. the poverty level is now what middle class was before. middle class now have computers, cable, and many other luxuries. the rich are the ones getting screwed. they bring jobs to the country, help the economy, and how are they thanked?? we tax the crap out of them. they give more to taxes than middle and poorer class combined.
no the problem is not in the rich having an advantage and being in a faction against us all for money. its in the poor class not wanting to get out of their situation. how much talent is lost to the hype to be "gansta"?? ive known many a black person of my age that had more capacity, raw talent for things. instead of using it they choose to wear panty-hose's on their heads and dress in pants 50 times their size.
another problem is that every one wants to have the best of everything. thats understandable. i do too. however you see kids walking around in $150 shoes, too much silver and gold on their ears and around their necks, and still getting government aid for their food at school. WTF???!!!!!! why should i pay for their stupidities??
im sorry dude but i have a big problem with the socialistic style of government. nothing gets done. instead we throw money at things. start thinking conservatively and you take away those luxuries the "poor" have. it is not my responsibility to take care of an entire family just because they choose to not work and spend it on drugs and booze instead. much less the entire "poor" population of the US or any country for that matter.

Maestro

09-18-2006, 06:55 AM

Few things to get out......

It is a shame about FoA, the racism, the lack of Aussie Spirit. He should know that we depend on Asians for videogames and to keep the population of our whales to a minimum. So stereorypically speaking he isn't all for Aussie Spirit, although it does seem as though he is gettin there. Good luck for the future!

Me, I am an Aussie through and through. I can tell you this because I (like most Aussie's) somewhat hate and pity the stereotypical american. This excludes two types of American. The gamer and the "Augmented" American. I am talking about true redneck's (e.g. George Bush), the American's that enjoy guns, money, and saying really stupid shit. Most you guys have qualified for exclusion.

I, like most Aussie's, like fast cars and hot women. Although I have currently obtained neither I have recently come into a scroll of 'Charm Animal' so I am hoping to 'Seize the Karp' soon. So consider me 'TBA'.

And as for the whole mass murdering thing, I would say the only person you have to kill to be famous is George Bush, because America will hate you, Australia will love you and you will finally be able to pull John Howards head out of Georgey's arse and bring our troops home.

Oh how I love politics!

I am not American, never will be, but if the opportunity ever arrives and I meet George Bush; I will pull an 'Annihilation Nation' on his ass!

FingolfinGR

09-18-2006, 01:12 PM

Obsolete_hi

09-18-2006, 01:20 PM

In New Jersey most of the black people get everything for free. The government will pay for them to go to school, give them houses to live in(make that brand new houses that were just built), and pay for their every need. Most of the time they are able to work but don't get off their lazy asses to get a job, because our government pays for them to be like that.... I am kinda sick of it. I have to work for everything I have, and pay an arm and a leg just to go to school. I can not stand how they get just about everything free, I have to pay more then 2k for my car insurence and they get it for 1 $ a month...I do not see why they are rewarding these people for doing nothing but sitting on their asses. This is not aimed towards all of them, but it is true about MOST of them.

AcidReign

09-18-2006, 02:53 PM

I've found (through my own personal experiences) that most black people seem to be much more friendly and open for discussion than white people. I dunno, but that's just what I've experienced. I've met like 100 black people and about were friendly.

I really don't see what this has to do about being American, but I guess I could relate it to the positive additude and respect that some people have in this country, and we need more of it.

darkjay

09-18-2006, 09:14 PM

hey... ima redneck, kinda lol
alot of people hate bush... i dont hate anyone... but i dont like him... he makes alot of people look bad, but thats just my opinion

Carloseus

09-18-2006, 09:57 PM

more than just Australia would love anyone that killed Bush, dude ^^All of Middle-East and even half the US would love that one.

About Carloseus... watch Fahrenheit 9/11. If you still say what you said then i dare say ur not human (in the spiritual way at least). And go check the really poor neighborhoods before talking about poverty. And most black people have to join the army to get funds for their college. Spare us with that too.

o man. you had enough credit when you started to make a point but cmon!! you guys first say we should be considerate of humanity, we dont want war, suffering, death. yet now you say you would shank George Bush!! Oh Sweet Irony!!

you say i should watch Farenheit 9-11. i did. i ran to the bathroom and barfed like i never will again. the lies!! watch Farenhype 9-11. its a small film but you should find it. the reason why you've never heard about it is because the media doesnt like it. my second point on this video is that it is made by a fatass who himself is filthy rich. he lives here, eats here, and makes his money here. then he goes over to Europe and tells them that Americans are uneducated overweight idiots. HIM!!!! of all the people he depicts that the most!! if he cares so much about the world why doesnt he give all that money of his away to other countries who do need it?? you know why?? because he wants to stuff himself with mc donalds for the rest of his life!!

third of all, i come from the "poor neighborhood". i am hispanic, my parents mexican. i lived in Huron, California. go down there someday and you'll see how ghetto it is. 14-45 year old hookers walking the street by nightfall, people trying to get by with working in the fields, most illegal. my parents one day decided they wanted out. we were up to our eyeballs with debt. we moved to Riverdale, California and there it was better. we made just enough money with his job to move to Avondale, Arizona. he was a trucker. here he quit his job after a year of it and is now a car salesman. trust me i know poverty. when i was smaller my grandpa would bring us food and clothes because we were hungry and my dad couldnt afford it.
thats a bit of my basic history. back to our topic: people around us were on drugs, they were alcoholics. yes there were some good folk but most were on welfare if they could apply for it. an aunt of mine is on welfare. she works as a waitress and is a hooker on the side, makes more than enough money. she still gets welfare. she is the example of people i lived around. the kids were just as bad. the stood in line at the cafeteria for free food on government aid while they wore 100 dollar shoes. dont tell me to not be so drastic. because in a country of free opportunity like mine you can become what you want to be.

sounds to me like you listen and give too much credit to people like jesse jackson, the black rights leader. he spends more time trying to alienate blacks then telling everyone to just treat them normally. take this piece of history to mind:

"And so even though we face the difficulties of today and tomorrow, I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in the American dream.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal."

I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia, the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood.

I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a state sweltering with the heat of injustice, sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice.

I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character." ---Martin Luther King Jr.

where his children will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character. that is the most powerful line. do not treat people differently because of what they look like, but by their actions. people who choose to stay poor dont have good character. what they do though, some do join the military to go to college as you said. millions more go to a life of crime, "gangsta's". why should i help someone who will one day want to put a gun in my face and tell me to give him his money??

try to top that.

FingolfinGR

09-18-2006, 10:16 PM

About Michael Moore: He shows facts. If you dont believe him its you that has the problems. Both of his last documentaries i watched touched me. Bowling for Columbine and Farhenheit 9/11. Didnt make me hate the nation of the US. Just pity the people that live in it. It should be a way to open your eyes and see whats going on and the acts of the US in the world. Its plain facts ffs, face it!

About the injustice to the blacks... every side has its opinion. I'll stay neutral since i dont live there and cant know exactly whats going on. About the politics and the pressures to the outside i know more and i'll keep stating it.
Thats mainly my point.

Carloseus

09-18-2006, 11:37 PM

moore's hate towards this country doesnt come accross in his videos. they cant. if they do no one will buy or see it. outside the videos he does these things though. i am a true conservative and i refuse that you feel you know more about my country and its evils when i live here. if there are problems in this country they are:

Socialism as well as its advocates (closet communists)
Too many people with no balls. if we are going to say something, stick to it.
Too many gays marching my streets and demanding my attention, only to tell me to treat them the same as i treat other people.
Too many women trying to become men,
Too many men obsessed with getting laid. if you declare yourself some sort of christian, stick to it. im not religious and even im waiting for marriage.
Too many kids not taught to respect their elders. it seems everytime i here about university graduations i hear about graduates disrespecting the republican who attends.
Too many jerks trying to to run our country through the television. you never see republicans on there, just bleeding heart liberals. we never hear about the good that has come from the middle east, and the good that is still coming.

dude i respect you and your opinion. i am also grateful that we can have an intellectual conversation without insults or stupid remarks from other people. an honest debate is what this is and it is not often that i have these. mostly because people on your side are screaming over me, and the girls are near wacking me accross the face.

darkjay

09-19-2006, 07:34 AM

we need to teach more respect, i see this alot and it makes me mad. another thing that ticks me off, people who complain about an elected official but yet didnt vote against him

Carloseus

09-19-2006, 05:57 PM

lol true. reason this whole thing got started.

FingolfinGR

09-21-2006, 11:43 PM

was off the site for a couple of days... time to reply:

moore's hate towards this country doesnt come accross in his videos.

i believe he truly loves the country cause he mentions and makes public stuff that hurt and are really important, even though they make him less popular. Anyone that would say "oh, what a great country, everything's perfect etc etc" would become way more popular and thats a fact too.

as for the things that spoil the country...

Socialism as well as its advocates (closet communists)

I'm not sure u even know anything about communism. Its ideas are based on equality. Romantic idea but barely applicable in any part of the world these days if u ask me. Its about the closest to the true Democracy as it can be (not the way the USSR did it, anyways that was more like a hidden dictatorship).

Too many people with no balls. if we are going to say something, stick to it.

You know it. But it should be the familys responsibility to make people like that, right?

Too many gays marching my streets and demanding my attention, only to tell me to treat them the same as i treat other people.

even if u dont push them out of society, there are most likely many that do. I dont give a shit and no gay ever bothered me.

Too many women trying to become men

aint that some sort of racism?

next part i'll split to explain better:

Too many men obsessed with getting laid.

Aint that bit natural? Its only advertised that men that are getting laid with many women (as many as possible) and make alot money are the ones really successfull. Ofc i dont agree but if thats what people are looking for i'll let them do it. Its part of the freedom every country is supposed to offer, right?

if you declare yourself some sort of christian, stick to it.

I dont get why it should be relevant.
1st u dont have to be christian, its supposed to be constitutional to choose any religion you want.
2nd even if u are Church shouldnt limit you in any possible way. Its supposed to free your spirit, not restrict you in any way i think.

im not religious and even im waiting for marriage.

does this mean u dont get laid till after marriage?
Well, we dont live on the 15th century, i think. Sex is a very important part of marriage (at least for about the first 30-40 years :P) and people should make sure they're compatible in that before they get married, i think. But again anyone should be allowed to choose what he does and not "have" to do it.

Too many kids not taught to respect their elders.

That should be one of the things families should do. And ofc the elders should deserve the respect too.

Too many jerks trying to to run our country through the television.

thats everywhere the same, u got to learn how to think to get under the lies/propaganda or whatsoever they serve you there. Good education helps most (if provided).

you never see republicans on there, just bleeding heart liberals. we never hear about the good that has come from the middle east, and the good that is still coming

now ur messing it up. How do you think Bush was elected? without any advertising and propaganda? Ofc he used television and any media availiable to get to his cause!
About the "good that has come from the middle-east... and the good thats still coming... What is it? Except death and oil i dont see anything else coming from there. (Many US soldiers lost their lives there for something they weren't supposed to do... to overthrow a dictator their country sponsored when he first took over - but thats another story).

dude i respect you and your opinion. i am also grateful that we can have an intellectual conversation without insults or stupid remarks from other people. an honest debate is what this is and it is not often that i have these. mostly because people on your side are screaming over me, and the girls are near wacking me accross the face.

as for this i kinda feel the same way. I didnt have the chance to have such a conversation with someone with your belief before. Screaming/yelling at someone would most likely stop the conversation and i hate it when it happens. ;)

Carloseus

09-22-2006, 03:14 AM

well, i guess i did a bad job getting my points accross lol.

first of all

i believe he truly loves the country cause he mentions and makes public stuff that hurt and are really important, even though they make him less popular. Anyone that would say "oh, what a great country, everything's perfect etc etc" would become way more popular and thats a fact too.

as for the things that spoil the country...

o boy. isnt that what bush is doing?? doing things that we dont really like while risking popularity?? only thing is that he at least makes sense. on to the next one....

I'm not sure u even know anything about communism. Its ideas are based on equality. Romantic idea but barely applicable in any part of the world these days if u ask me. Its about the closest to the true Democracy as it can be (not the way the USSR did it, anyways that was more like a hidden dictatorship).

hmm, i know that communists dont like capitalism. its a "dream" as lennon said. just that though, a dream. there can never be a society where everyone shares and does things for others with the goodness of their hearts. dont call it a true democracy, because those who advocated communism stood against democracy. there has never been a communistic country, only those that have tried to accomplish it. it is an idea that crazy power hungry people try when a country is starving, like in the USSR. there was no government and here comes a communist. "hey," he says, "i can solve this country!! only catch is that you have to give me all the power for a bit." so he gets granted the power and he makes sure he keeps it to his death.

one more thing about this, and the left wing political leaders or influencial people, aka michael moore, are rich out of their minds. why dont they do something good with it?? talking doesnt do any good, action is what is needed.

even if u dont push them out of society, there are most likely many that do. I dont give a shit and no gay ever bothered me.

i dont mind gays. i have a couple of gay friends. the problem arises when they want everyone in the world to know they are gay. i dont go around with signs to show how heterosexual i am, i just carry on with my life. we dont ask, they dont tell. same with straight folk. we dont have to say we are straight or what lifestyle we kead. just do what you do. thats it.

aint that some sort of racism?

next part i'll split to explain better:

actually its sexism. according to people i talk with. i think that women should do the role intended for them by nature. to care for children. im not a macho man, and i dont expect a woman to jump at my every command but it is true that men are meant, by nature, to go hunt and bring the food home. women can, but they are to be treasured. they are the most important pieces to humanity, for without them we cant reproduce. it is in the man's contract to defend her and sheild her.
there are things we can do that they cant and vice-versa. lets keep to those roles.

Aint that bit natural? Its only advertised that men that are getting laid with many women (as many as possible) and make alot money are the ones really successfull. Ofc i dont agree but if thats what people are looking for i'll let them do it. Its part of the freedom every country is supposed to offer, right?

its true they can be like that. but if you wish to claim higher moral ground, or if you wish to make society better, i think you should not give in to animalistic insticts. we are not animals, but if you wish to act like one, its your right.

I dont get why it should be relevant.
1st u dont have to be christian, its supposed to be constitutional to choose any religion you want.
2nd even if u are Church shouldnt limit you in any possible way. Its supposed to free your spirit, not restrict you in any way i think.

its true that its something you wish to do. it is free spirit. but there is a code by which religions go by. when people go around saying they're this or that but do not follow the code, do they deserve that title?? its like the marines. they are trained and drilled and toned into disciplined out of their own free will. but if i go around saying im a marine it is unfair to the marine who earned it.

does this mean u dont get laid till after marriage?
Well, we dont live on the 15th century, i think. Sex is a very important part of marriage (at least for about the first 30-40 years :P) and people should make sure they're compatible in that before they get married, i think. But again anyone should be allowed to choose what he does and not "have" to do it.

i know its not the 15th century. sex is a very important part of marriage. but, people should be married before they have sex. not because they "have" to. but because it makes for a better family, better everything. sex is rampant throughout the world. when irresponsible loser men decide they dont want to have a kid, they walk out. then women are left alone to take care of the kid. marriage makes couples think hard about what they want. it again, makes for a better society.

im tired so ill finish the rest tommorrow lol. thanks again for a good conversation. i think we have very similar opinions but somehow on the other side of the spectrum. to add to your point about yelling and attacking people, it actually makes people defensive, and in so makes him more stubborn. good conversation like this lets everyone see some good opinions without having to deal with yelling and expressions of anger in more violent ways.

FingolfinGR

09-22-2006, 01:55 PM

o boy. isnt that what bush is doing?? doing things that we dont really like while risking popularity?? only thing is that he at least makes sense. on to the next one....

Bush got really wealthier after his actions, no doubt. And the usual people didnt get a thing from his actions. In fact his actions (not just his, even Clinton and the presidents before them did the same things) made life in the US more insecure. Technically they gave these "terrorists" a reason to attack the US. Moore points that out and shows the war crimes commited by US armies. I dont agree with war for financial reasons, thats why i'm so against whats going on with the US in the Middle-East. I understand the reasons Israel has to worry but they kinda overreacted there too.

hmm, i know that communists dont like capitalism. its a "dream" as lennon said. just that though, a dream. there can never be a society where everyone shares and does things for others with the goodness of their hearts. dont call it a true democracy, because those who advocated communism stood against democracy. there has never been a communistic country, only those that have tried to accomplish it. it is an idea that crazy power hungry people try when a country is starving, like in the USSR. there was no government and here comes a communist. "hey," he says, "i can solve this country!! only catch is that you have to give me all the power for a bit." so he gets granted the power and he makes sure he keeps it to his death.

I dont like capitalism but i accept it. I got to live with it and take advantage of it, no doubt. But i aint a communist either. I like the idea of such a system but i dont believe that its possible to be used anytime soon (we kinda agree on this). It doesnt mean we got to dislike the ones that try to live by it, do we? They're more selfless than us most of the times (all but the so called "leaders" that are mainly the ones rich while the rest remains equally poor).

one more thing about this, and the left wing political leaders or influencial people, aka michael moore, are rich out of their minds. why dont they do something good with it?? talking doesnt do any good, action is what is needed.

okay, he is rich, but he tries to help by showing people the truth. He even gets payed for it, but since it comes while following his cause its fully acceptable. (Bowling for Columbine i found even better than Fahrenheit 9/11, it put his point in a really better way).

actually its sexism. according to people i talk with. i think that women should do the role intended for them by nature. to care for children. im not a macho man, and i dont expect a woman to jump at my every command but it is true that men are meant, by nature, to go hunt and bring the food home. women can, but they are to be treasured. they are the most important pieces to humanity, for without them we cant reproduce. it is in the man's contract to defend her and sheild her.
there are things we can do that they cant and vice-versa. lets keep to those roles.

we definitely stand on different sides on that one. I believe women should have the freedom to choose what they want. They have to give birth anyways, but i wouldnt mind my wife working if she felt better about it. Would also help alot financially, its damn hard to find a job to provide u with the money needed to raise a family (its that way where i live, at least).
Sexist is some sort of social racist too, i think (not sure if i used the right expression, i translated in word from Greek).

its true that its something you wish to do. it is free spirit. but there is a code by which religions go by. when people go around saying they're this or that but do not follow the code, do they deserve that title?? its like the marines. they are trained and drilled and toned into disciplined out of their own free will. but if i go around saying im a marine it is unfair to the marine who earned it.

about that we all know what Church (catholic/orthodox, it doesnt really matter) let us know. I'm not a lamb like the Church wants me to be. Jesus wanted to free our spirits, was selfless and his moral ideas great. As a free man i could consider myself follower of Jesus i dont feel i have to do whatever the Church defines as "good christian". According to Jesus you shouldnt kill anyone. Now think of the Crusades and how many people got killed by that. I stopped listening to what the priests say quite some time ago.

i know its not the 15th century. sex is a very important part of marriage. but, people should be married before they have sex. not because they "have" to. but because it makes for a better family, better everything. sex is rampant throughout the world. when irresponsible loser men decide they dont want to have a kid, they walk out. then women are left alone to take care of the kid. marriage makes couples think hard about what they want. it again, makes for a better society.

Being married doesnt mean u have to have children. Having sex with someone also doesnt mean u have to live with him/her. Sex without protection is a mistake that should be avoided anyways. But i wouldnt wait till after marriage to see if i'm compatible with the woman i marry. Its too important to check after the marriage ;)

Carloseus

09-22-2006, 04:27 PM

good points. i like you, youre smart.

i read something on the net earlier, it went something like this:

war has never solved anything except for: communism, nazism, slavery, and injustice.

i truly believe in this. i dont like war, but if it means that my kids can grow up free even without their dad, hey sign me up. democracy and freedom is a right to people i think. millions of americans have died to secure our right to them, i say we honor them. until the world is ridded of evil, we must defend our countries and fight it so that the fight doesnt come here. evil will never end, so we must always fight.

the founders of the greatest country ever on the face of the earth believed that people had a right to freedoms, to pursue happiness and all that fun stuff. we fought for our freedom from britain, against oppression and injustice. according to your reasoning america has always been evil. we took what was british right?? they had a right to hold us and treat us as bad as they wanted.

this is the reasoning you are applying to the middle east. that there are already evil governments there and to leave them alone. dont the people there deserve freedom?? being denied it for all this time?? i say that if you still dont agree to at least give it a shot. everything else gets a chance everywhere, why dont we give a chance to democracy?? lets be fair.

the reason we dont pull out of iraq yet is because it isnt stable. soldiers have died and we have spent money there. making sure its stable and can keep its own against attackers, whether they be terrorists or countries, is a smart idea dont you think?? you build a wall, but arent quite sure it will stay secure yet because of the cement. what do you do?? you keep the supports on. when the wall is ready, then you remove the supports. if we left tommorrow there would be a vacuum of power. that vacuum must be filled by the iraq citizens. the power they hold must be bigger and stronger than any other power that wishes to take over.

*breathes deeply* well i think that clarify's my reasoning in iraq a bit. it could use some touching up but i think that works well. now for the next....

Carloseus

09-22-2006, 05:18 PM

michael moore does what he thinks is best. he believes something so strongly that he is willing to tell everyone. but wackos do the same too. my problem is when he talks bad about the country he gets rich off of. of course you cant insult america, but you can say that africa is what it is because america is taking advantage of the mining industries. he works the sympathies of people and makes them angry against america, even those in the US.

dont get me wrong, we arent perfect. there will never be perfect. perfect is something to strive for though. we dont claim to be perfect. even china has a better education system than we do.

but there is a reason america is so great. there is a reason why millions upon millions have traveled here, have come to live here. there is a reason why people come from other countries and have such pride, such honor in merely saying "i live in america". its the american dream. people come here for a better future. to feed their families. to live better. to escape oppression.

this is the land of the free, home of the brave. land of opportunity. name one country that would not be impacted if we broke off trade with them.

now, take all that into consideration, all that we have done for the world starting with developing electricity. we have given so much already, we have been so giving and generous. then comes along a fat guy with a stupid cap and tells me, though not directly, that im evil for living here. according to him i live in a country run by corrupt officials, am a fat slob, and am stuck up. WTF?? how can he say that?? much more to other countries?? he is the kind of people that say that bush planned the whole thing. a part of the people who say that a plane never crashed into the pentagon. those who say the hole in pennsylvania was too small for a plane along with there not being any parts left.

this is why i hate the left. yes i said HATE. im sorry if you agree with them, but they are a bunch of liars. they take guns from people to make things safer, when the maliscious can easily get their hands on guns anyways.
they say "yes" here and there, "no" here and there, as long as they get the votes.
prisoners are not being executed anymore. instead they are forced to live the rest of their terrible lives in a small cell, poor food, and surrounded by a bunch of other criminals in the name of mercy.
they let child abusers out and about after a slap on the wrist. i dont know about you, but people who rape 3-14 year old kids pretty much give up their right to live. no child should go through that. yet they do. child abusers are like rabid dogs. you can never really fix them, they will always want to. there are exceptions, but in my eye i would rather kill 10 child abusers than to let them all leave in hope they will get better.

these are only some reasons. the child abuser thing is what infuriates me the most. liberals are on the side of child rapists?? they are on the side of criminals, killers?? i dont know about you, but i would rather move to a remote island alone than to live with people like these. they gamble with the safety of families, with the security of my future families. let them gamble with their own families. leave mine out of it.

this is why i have such a problem with the left. it is much deeper than michael moore, though he is a figure i would enjoy taking my frustrations out on by grabbing my sword and his head rolling on the floor seconds later.

*breathes deeply* ok another clarification. this is so tiring. i hate getting emotions out like that, it really makes for a bad environment.

FingolfinGR

09-22-2006, 07:44 PM

you have some nice points too, but i think ur bit over the edge at some points.

now on this:

war has never solved anything except for: communism, nazism, slavery, and injustice.

i think communism didnt get solved by war. Well, the main country that used to (at least say it was) communistic got disbanded after opening the borders. Nazism, as much as i hate it, still exists (in form of Neo-nazism all around the world - even in the United States), slavery was solved somehow but hey, working every day for 1$ daily (about 15 hours a day) isnt like slavery?
Injustice fully exists everywhere in the world without doubt i think.

i truly believe in this. i dont like war, but if it means that my kids can grow up free even without their dad, hey sign me up. democracy and freedom is a right to people i think. millions of americans have died to secure our right to them, i say we honor them. until the world is ridded of evil, we must defend our countries and fight it so that the fight doesnt come here. evil will never end, so we must always fight.

about that ofc i think that every citizen has the right and duty to defend his country and make sure it remains safe. But this shouldnt go against other peoples rights in other countries. See freedom as a universal thing and not only the right of the few that were born in the US.

the founders of the greatest country ever on the face of the earth believed that people had a right to freedoms, to pursue happiness and all that fun stuff. we fought for our freedom from britain, against oppression and injustice. according to your reasoning america has always been evil. we took what was british right?? they had a right to hold us and treat us as bad as they wanted.

now about that, i dont feel the US are the greatest country but its ur right to think so. Anyways, you fought for your freedom there with the British, but u werent native there. The natives, so called "indians" were forced off. Should they fight back? Should the rest of the world help them "free themselves"? Again, i dont think America was always evil. I dont even believe that the citizens are evil. Its not them that take the decision to some of the massacres that happened. Its all about governments. If you ask me each nation has the right to fight for their freedom. We (Greece) fought for our freedom against Turkey 1821. Without any help from outsiders. And we managed to get it. But what happens to the Middle-East isnt the same. They're people in their own countries. They can overthrow a government if they find it to oppressing (was that said right, excuse my english).

this is the reasoning you are applying to the middle east. that there are already evil governments there and to leave them alone. dont the people there deserve freedom?? being denied it for all this time?? i say that if you still dont agree to at least give it a shot. everything else gets a chance everywhere, why dont we give a chance to democracy?? lets be fair.

most americans never been to any country in the Middle-East to know how it is. I visited Syria (Bush's next target) and i saw all but terrorists in there. People are friendly, helpfull and only care to live happily. As they do. They never cared about whats going on in the US or elsewhere. I know cause i've been there. If they want to get their government overthrown... they can. Helping when ur not asked, is most of the time no real help at all. Take it the other way round: Why shouldnt some other "strong country" or coalition come to the US and "free" you from the evil government you have and establish another, "better" one?

the reason we dont pull out of iraq yet is because it isnt stable. soldiers have died and we have spent money there. making sure its stable and can keep its own against attackers, whether they be terrorists or countries, is a smart idea dont you think?? you build a wall, but arent quite sure it will stay secure yet because of the cement. what do you do?? you keep the supports on. when the wall is ready, then you remove the supports. if we left tommorrow there would be a vacuum of power. that vacuum must be filled by the iraq citizens. the power they hold must be bigger and stronger than any other power that wishes to take over.

Iraq was stable before you invaded, thats a fact. The US and the governments set there from the United States dont know how to keep balance in there. Civil war, rebel wars against ur troops, thats whats going on there. It wasnt Saddam's doing.

FingolfinGR

09-22-2006, 08:03 PM

michael moore does what he thinks is best. he believes something so strongly that he is willing to tell everyone. but wackos do the same too. my problem is when he talks bad about the country he gets rich off of. of course you cant insult america, but you can say that africa is what it is because america is taking advantage of the mining industries. he works the sympathies of people and makes them angry against america, even those in the US.

Dont get confused, "America" isnt an entity. Hes mainly aiming high with what hes talking about. He never blamed the normal citizens. They're sort of victims after all.

but there is a reason america is so great. there is a reason why millions upon millions have traveled here, have come to live here. there is a reason why people come from other countries and have such pride, such honor in merely saying "i live in america". its the american dream. people come here for a better future. to feed their families. to live better. to escape oppression.

America is a great place for the pleople that grew elsewhere. They know how to take advantage of the situation more, and get rich faster. In that i guess the US are the best.

now, take all that into consideration, all that we have done for the world starting with developing electricity. we have given so much already, we have been so giving and generous. then comes along a fat guy with a stupid cap and tells me, though not directly, that im evil for living here. according to him i live in a country run by corrupt officials, am a fat slob, and am stuck up. WTF?? how can he say that?? much more to other countries?? he is the kind of people that say that bush planned the whole thing. a part of the people who say that a plane never crashed into the pentagon. those who say the hole in pennsylvania was too small for a plane along with there not being any parts left.

helping do one good, doesnt mean we got to have you like gods forever. It was mainly the genious of one man. He could be born anywhere. But i'm getting offtopic. About Michael Moore i said it over and over. He looses populatiry, especially in the US by telling whats wrong. He never blamed the people that live there, watch Bowling for Columbine again and u'll notice what i mean.

this is why i hate the left. yes i said HATE. im sorry if you agree with them, but they are a bunch of liars. they take guns from people to make things safer, when the maliscious can easily get their hands on guns anyways.

Hating someone just cause of his ideas isnt what i call democratic. Now on the guns, i believe that on the hands of scared people are more dangerous than no guns at all. (aka i disagree with everyone having a gun).

prisoners are not being executed anymore. instead they are forced to live the rest of their terrible lives in a small cell, poor food, and surrounded by a bunch of other criminals in the name of mercy.
they let child abusers out and about after a slap on the wrist. i dont know about you, but people who rape 3-14 year old kids pretty much give up their right to live. no child should go through that. yet they do. child abusers are like rabid dogs. you can never really fix them, they will always want to. there are exceptions, but in my eye i would rather kill 10 child abusers than to let them all leave in hope they will get better.

now you confused me. First you say that in the name of mercy they arent executed and now that its no mercy at all to live for the rest of their lives in jail with other criminals? I dont believe that any man should take the life of another for any reason. Its even greater punishment to keep them locked up in a jail for the rest of their lives.
About child abusers i agree with you, but with the way of punishment i already mentioned.

liberals are on the side of child rapists?? they are on the side of criminals, killers?? i dont know about you, but i would rather move to a remote island alone than to live with people like these. they gamble with the safety of families, with the security of my future families. let them gamble with their own families. leave mine out of it.

where did that come from? We (i consider myself liberal, somehow) think criminals should be punished. But there is the problem not everyone thinks of the same people as criminals. Define the criminal and i'll say more about it. (Dont bother mentioning the child rapists, we totally agree on that part).

I feel you misjudge abit the "left" in general. You said you like having conversations like the one we have. I'm the typical "left" guy, think of that ;)

Warlord55

09-22-2006, 11:46 PM

im here from a nebraska i living in u of s of a, lol jk
but i do live in nebraska usa, and i love it here, and i was trying to be like a hillbilly

Carloseus

09-23-2006, 12:30 AM

well i know that the left are running this country to the ground. at least the ones here. a good example is a girl at my work. we used to talk politics but she couldnt handle it so i stopped. she hates me now, and i hate her. i dont hate her for her views, but for being so hateful towards me yet advocating peace and love. its total hypocracy.

on the prisoner topic i think that they should all be electricuted, the murderers and rapists and child abusers. instead we keep them in prisons and release them later on. they are scum, they are a disease. when they attack others they spread it. children who have been abused are more likely to abuse later on. what i meant with mercy is that instead of putting them out of their misery we keep them alive with the rest of the scum. what is there to live for?? what do you have to look forward to?? instead of doing this lets do whats best for society as well as for them. electricution or the syringe.

i am sorry if i put you in with the rest of the wacky left, but all i know is extreme left. people actually justify a man rigging themselves up and attacking populated areas. can you believe that?? i dont care how you justify it, it is wrong and i for one will stand up against it. its time for the rest of us that do care about freedom and justice to stand against the growing evil in the middle east.

WW3 is looming i think. russia, china, and iran are big partners. iran is set on killing israeli's, russia and china will back them up. will we keep our promise to israel?? i just dont know anymore. i think that the representatives we choose should grow some balls and do their jobs. we hire them to fix our problems here and in the world. society also needs to stop accepting low standards and raise itself up. we must all start to contribute to make the best of everything.

unfortunately i am at a point, be it because im too young to think longer, that the US will have a civil war in my lifetime. it will be between the left and the right. large government against limited. hopefully, in my opinion, the right will win. i dont believe in having the government taking care of me. i believe that you should take your life in your hands and make the best with it.

god im tired. im pretty much forcing myself to stay awake.

FingolfinGR

09-23-2006, 05:30 PM

i believe that if you take a mans life - even the life of a criminal - (if not in self defense), then ur as criminal as he is. Thats about the electrocutions/syringes.

I dont like the extreme left either. The same way i feel with the extreme right too. Truth lies about in the middle, almost every time. I always judge each situation. Always try to see behind the things they only show me.

I got the same feeling about WW3, but without Russia as a possible US opponent. Mostly i get the feeling Iran/Syria and the rest of the countries in the mid-east will form an alliance to defend themselves (!) from a possible US attack sometime soon. I also have the feeling that the US will give them a reason or even start with an attack. Anyway, a war wont solve anything on that. Just everyone will get even more weak, economy will break and people will die. Israel has a right to be there safe, but none attacked them yet (no country anyways). As for the ones that use explosive vests etc, i think they only do harm to their countries.

I dont know about the current situation between the "left" and the "right" in the US. But i hope it wont come to this end and people will get to solve it in a peacefull way.

Carloseus

09-23-2006, 05:54 PM

i hope so too dude. but russia is giving weapons to iran.

the US is not that bad yet, and maybe we can get rid of a lot of the political strife but it sure feels to me, living here and all, that i will be involved in a future civil war here on my soil sometime in the future.

FingolfinGR

09-23-2006, 11:00 PM

who sells weapons to who isnt important. The US sold weapons to Iran and Iraq too sometime in the past (while they were fighting each other). Same happened with Kuweit. The US and Russia are the biggest weapon sellers in the world right now (with the US to sell more than Russia). Thats about economy, not real support. I dont expect Russia to interfere in any future war not on their own ground.

Zubin

04-19-2007, 05:31 AM

I even Don't Know Where I was Born :( .......

'' His Tears When Touch The Ground It Melts''

Equinox

04-19-2007, 06:13 AM

How did that happen?

I was born in Ukraine, and despite the fact that we moved to USA for now and that we are pretty damn going to stay here (I wanted to visit Germany, though), the mentality of our family remained Ukrainian, and we are viewing American culture from the side... has its good and bad points, as any other country...

Jarhead89

04-20-2007, 06:59 AM

Well guys as most of you know im from australia.

I am more proud of where i come from than anything else. I have no dobut you all feel the same way about your countries. I was born and raised in Australia. My parents were born in australia, my parents parents and my parents parents parents. After that pretty much everyones ancestors at that stage are something european.

Australia is all about mateship. I liked darkjays speal before, so ill say my version of australia. This is essentially (like what darkjay said) a sterotypical australia. If your australian, football runs through your veins, whether it be afl (our version) or nrl (rugby). You were wifebeaters (singlets, usually blue). Kangaroos, meat pies, BEER. No snow, no tornadoes. No tsunamis, NO GUNS. You wear thongs, and boardies. You want every public holiday you can get. You drive an australian made car, with parts from 50 different countries. The southern cross. You like your women. You support every australian team in sporting, even though you might not know any of the players. You shorten everything you say ('whats going on' here pretty much sounds like: 'sgoin on') and you dont care for proper language. If its gotta be done, it can wait....we are the laziest country on the planet. It will be sunny one day, and raining the next. The most common tattoo you will see is the southern cross, out international symbol (appears on our flag, stars shaped like the cross with an odd one in the middle) and i myself plan to get it. You would fight for your mate if you were outnumbered 100 to 2. You bag your mates 24/7 but its normal. Our superbowl is grand final day. Our kentucky derby is the Melbourne cup. Our george bush is john howard. You love kangaroos, yet youve almost certainly tasted it. Your rather push a holden than drive a ford. Or the other way around. You read all this above and know that your guilty of 90% of it.

Jarhead.

Carloseus

06-12-2007, 10:49 PM

wow, your alot like us. id fight a thousand nations along your side, you croc'dile hunta'.

Diamondshade

04-29-2008, 03:47 PM

FingolfinGR (http://www.diablo3.com/forums/member.php?u=2662), you are an idiot. Just to clarify, I had to stop reading posts in this thread 5 pages in, simply because I couldn't stand to view your stupidity any more. Everything you said Americans are uninformed on and ignorant of...I've seen on the news. I don't even watch the news regularly (once every 3 months at most, simply because I hate all the terror and bad vibes that American media needlessly spreads), and I've seen MANY references to all of those occurrances over the past few years. You are as uninformed about America as you say that we are about the rest of the world.

P.S. - This is to everyone that has posted here...people will most certainly take your views more seriously if you PROOFREAD YOUR POSTS. I have seen some almost well thought out ideas that will go nowhere in anyone's perception simply because you couldn't be bothered to figure out where to put punctuation and capitalization. Here's a few hints...

- The first word in a sentence is ALWAYS capitalized.
- The pronoun "I" when use to refer to oneself is ALWAYS capitalized.
- A sentence should ALWAYS end in some form of punctuation (period, question mark, etc.).

PLEASE, people, for the love of whatever god you pray to, don't give the world any more excuses to say that Americans are stupid. They have too many already. I'm an American. You can all understand my posts, right? Proper grammar doesn't take that much effort, and it makes you look much more intelligent.

Requiem

04-29-2008, 03:49 PM

I see we have a Necromancer in our midst.

Siaynoq

04-29-2008, 03:55 PM

(http://www.diablo3.com/forums/member.php?u=2662)- The first word in a sentence is ALWAYS capitalized.
- The pronoun "I" when use to refer to oneself is ALWAYS capitalized.
- A sentence should ALWAYS end in some form of punctuation (period, question mark, etc.).

PLEASE, people, for the love of whatever god you pray to, don't give the world any more excuses to say that Americans are stupid. They have too many already. I'm an American. You can all understand my posts, right? Proper grammar doesn't take that much effort, and it makes you look much more intelligent.

You need to understand that not everyone here is from the United States and not everyone here speaks English as their first language. If you want to address individual issues within people's posts, that's fine. But don't be as petty as to give people grammar and punctuation lessons. While we all would like everyone to use proper grammar, punctuation and capitalization, we're not gonna completely disregard people's posts for not having near perfect mechanics.

To do so would be as silly as me say, lecturing you on thread necromancy.