BTW, yeah D2 had segregated offline and online. But, that was D2. This game is not D2, it's designed to be connected online. Live with it or don't play it. It's not going to change.
Says who ?
BLIZZARD.
lmfao
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"once the pretty hardcore gamers we had testing inferno found it fairly difficult, we then we doubled it" -trolololol jay wilson
Ragnar, I like both old and new Diablo. I even like that filters which make Diablo "darker". But the differences are small comparing to TL2. People who like Diablo art style will mostly still play Diablo 3 but they will never play TL as art is so different there. It has no sense comparing two games or saying go do torchlight as they have better mechanics. I believe people play Diablo as they love its art style and mood and from this perspective TL is completely different game.
So, if the game is different in art style and grafic, but is played the same way and is a good game, people wont play it?
Because of graphic? i can't agree with that reasoning. The games should not be played because of good graphic, they should be played because they are fun and good games. But i ges different people different tastes. But saying somthing has ugly art style or is shit, and that diablo art style is better, is wrong.Its same as saying that blue is better color than red.
So, if the game is different in art style and grafic, but is played the same way and is a good game, people wont play it?
Because of graphic? i can't agree with that reasoning. The games should not be played because of good graphic, they should be played because they are fun and good games. But i ges different people different tastes. But saying somthing has ugly art style or is shit, and that diablo art style is better, is wrong.Its same as saying that blue is better color than red.
No, it's like saying that vanilla ice cream tastes better than sugar. It's true and many would agree even if some might not (same as some would chose to play TL, but not majority of D1/2 fans). So basically in Diablo domain, TL is no good.
So, if the game is different in art style and grafic, but is played the same way and is a good game, people wont play it?
Because of graphic? i can't agree with that reasoning. The games should not be played because of good graphic, they should be played because they are fun and good games. But i ges different people different tastes. But saying somthing has ugly art style or is shit, and that diablo art style is better, is wrong.Its same as saying that blue is better color than red.
No, it's like saying that vanilla ice cream tastes better than sugar. It's true and many would agree even if some might not (same as some would chose to play TL, but not majority of D1/2 fans). So basically in Diablo domain, TL is no good.
Hmm, but a lot of diablo fans are buying the game, including me. That's one of reasons that crapy torchlight 1 was such a sucses. And probably the second will also be.
Odin, I think Path of Excile is not even close to D3 and they demo is a prove of that. It's so bright and without a sense of art. Me myself will finish D3 for sure at least once as I really like the mood of it and art style and I hope that latest acts get darker closer to hell. If I play more than that depends of mechanics. If game is based on player skill in inferno difficulty I will play it for long, but if it is based on item collecting mostly I won't. But I still won't touch TL2/PoE as one is childish and second does not have enough of diablo mood to it. And if I wanted just a mechanics without art/mood I would play chess.
Yeah I cant the somewhat gayish artstyle too but in terms of mechanics its just everything Diablo 3 should have been.
With the filter on the D3 graphics are looking way better but if you compare them to Grim Dawn or Path of Excile still miles behind. Anyway to each their own. I think lots of people will try Diablo 3 out because it has the name Diablo once they find out, that it hasn't much in comon despite the name they will try something elese, I'm sure.
At this point I'm glad we won't see Warcraft 4 cause I'm sure they would destroy it.
thats definitely just YOUR opinion because POE looks like complete shit and everyone i know agrees. and again your simple minded opinion because me being a hardcore diablo fan i think almost everything about D3 is perfect and a lot of people agree. TL2 will suck just as POE will and D3 will sell millions and millions of copies. but dont take my word for it, wait for a few months after release when everyone is still playing and they've sold over 5m copies.
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"once the pretty hardcore gamers we had testing inferno found it fairly difficult, we then we doubled it" -trolololol jay wilson
So, if the game is different in art style and grafic, but is played the same way and is a good game, people wont play it?
Because of graphic? i can't agree with that reasoning. The games should not be played because of good graphic, they should be played because they are fun and good games. But i ges different people different tastes. But saying somthing has ugly art style or is shit, and that diablo art style is better, is wrong.Its same as saying that blue is better color than red.
No, it's like saying that vanilla ice cream tastes better than sugar. It's true and many would agree even if some might not (same as some would chose to play TL, but not majority of D1/2 fans). So basically in Diablo domain, TL is no good.
Hmm, but a lot of diablo fans are buying the game, including me. That's one of reasons that crapy torchlight 1 was such a sucses. And probably the second will also be.
I realize that some people care only about mechanics but they should then stay on TL2 forums if its mechanic is so good. Why to bother with D3. Oh, maybe for an art style
Yeah I cant the somewhat gayish artstyle too but in terms of mechanics its just everything Diablo 3 should have been.
With the filter on the D3 graphics are looking way better but if you compare them to Grim Dawn or Path of Excile still miles behind. Anyway to each their own. I think lots of people will try Diablo 3 out because it has the name Diablo once they find out, that it hasn't much in comon despite the name they will try something elese, I'm sure.
At this point I'm glad we won't see Warcraft 4 cause I'm sure they would destroy it.
thats definitely just YOUR opinion because POE looks like complete shit and everyone i know agrees. and again your simple minded opinion because me being a hardcore diablo fan i think almost everything about D3 is perfect and a lot of people agree. TL2 will suck just as POE will and D3 will sell millions and millions of copies. but dont take my word for it, wait for a few months after release when everyone is still playing and they've sold over 5m copies.
Lol man, why are you so aggressive? You must know, that a lot of people are disappointed with some aspects of diablo 3. And a lot of people don't agree that diablo is almost perfect.But important thing is that it's fun to play.
Path of exile has much better textures then diablo 3. But it laks in animations and special efects, and is generaly boring.
So, if the game is different in art style and grafic, but is played the same way and is a good game, people wont play it?
Because of graphic? i can't agree with that reasoning. The games should not be played because of good graphic, they should be played because they are fun and good games. But i ges different people different tastes. But saying somthing has ugly art style or is shit, and that diablo art style is better, is wrong.Its same as saying that blue is better color than red.
No, it's like saying that vanilla ice cream tastes better than sugar. It's true and many would agree even if some might not (same as some would chose to play TL, but not majority of D1/2 fans). So basically in Diablo domain, TL is no good.
Hmm, but a lot of diablo fans are buying the game, including me. That's one of reasons that crapy torchlight 1 was such a sucses. And probably the second will also be.
I realize that some people care only about mechanics but they should then stay on TL2 forums if its mechanic is so good. Why to bother with D3. Oh, maybe for an art style
Because i played diablo from beginning, and its will be fun game, same as torchlight. The mechanic is what will make the game to be played for a long time, its not art style. Why not come to this forum, is it only for worshipers of diablo 3 that will sacrifice intruders that dont think like them
Yeah I cant the somewhat gayish artstyle too but in terms of mechanics its just everything Diablo 3 should have been.
With the filter on the D3 graphics are looking way better but if you compare them to Grim Dawn or Path of Excile still miles behind. Anyway to each their own. I think lots of people will try Diablo 3 out because it has the name Diablo once they find out, that it hasn't much in comon despite the name they will try something elese, I'm sure.
At this point I'm glad we won't see Warcraft 4 cause I'm sure they would destroy it.
thats definitely just YOUR opinion because POE looks like complete shit and everyone i know agrees. and again your simple minded opinion because me being a hardcore diablo fan i think almost everything about D3 is perfect and a lot of people agree. TL2 will suck just as POE will and D3 will sell millions and millions of copies. but dont take my word for it, wait for a few months after release when everyone is still playing and they've sold over 5m copies.
Lol man, why are you so aggressive? You must know, that a lot of people are disappointed with some aspects of diablo 3. And a lot of people don't agree that diablo is almost perfect.But important thing is that it's fun to play.
Path of exile has much better textures then diablo 3. But it laks in animations and special efects, and is generaly boring.
'its just how i talk. havent you seen my movies? a fuckin shark ATE ME. '
i know some people are disappointed but there are FAR more people not upset, happy, or just dont care. if even half or more were actually disappointed then you would see that in the forums and blizz would of changed shit. but whenever a thread starts about it, the majority of the people are for it or dont care.
but ya POE blows. it may be "smoother" but the art style and graphics look like crap. along with the mechanics gameplay skill system ect.
Quality is over quantity bro, your now saying that if it sells is absolutely a succes game maybe let time decide, like it did with D2.
So if WoW has the most users subscribed is automatic the best mmo out there ?
D3 is quality over quantity. ppl complain about the graphics when the gameplay is always what blizz cares about. they've never released a super graphic intensive game. and because D3 is such a high quality game it will sell millions and millions.
and yes WoW is the worlds best MMO. ive played over a dozen MMO's and WoW is by far the best in almost all aspects. imitation MMO's like Rift, SWTOR, AION have all tried and epically failed to come close. it wouldnt have the most players worldwide by an insane margin if it wasnt. lawl
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"once the pretty hardcore gamers we had testing inferno found it fairly difficult, we then we doubled it" -trolololol jay wilson
Yeah I cant the somewhat gayish artstyle too but in terms of mechanics its just everything Diablo 3 should have been.
With the filter on the D3 graphics are looking way better but if you compare them to Grim Dawn or Path of Excile still miles behind. Anyway to each their own. I think lots of people will try Diablo 3 out because it has the name Diablo once they find out, that it hasn't much in comon despite the name they will try something elese, I'm sure.
At this point I'm glad we won't see Warcraft 4 cause I'm sure they would destroy it.
thats definitely just YOUR opinion because POE looks like complete shit and everyone i know agrees. and again your simple minded opinion because me being a hardcore diablo fan i think almost everything about D3 is perfect and a lot of people agree. TL2 will suck just as POE will and D3 will sell millions and millions of copies. but dont take my word for it, wait for a few months after release when everyone is still playing and they've sold over 5m copies.
Lol man, why are you so aggressive? You must know, that a lot of people are disappointed with some aspects of diablo 3. And a lot of people don't agree that diablo is almost perfect.But important thing is that it's fun to play.
Path of exile has much better textures then diablo 3. But it laks in animations and special efects, and is generaly boring.
'its just how i talk. havent you seen my movies? a fuckin shark ATE ME. '
i know some people are disappointed but there are FAR more people not upset, happy, or just dont care. if even half or more were actually disappointed then you would see that in the forums and blizz would of changed shit. but whenever a thread starts about it, the majority of the people are for it or dont care.
but ya POE blows. it may be "smoother" but the art style and graphics look like crap. along with the mechanics gameplay skill system ect.
Well, how much money you give, that much music youl get. If im not wrong parth of exile is free, and for that cost, it's fucking awesome. Unfortunately, it's also only online.
Hmm graphic doesn't look like crap at all, while with gameplay i agree. In some parts it looks more like diablo sequel game then diablo 3 it self
My impression is that the game should have been released years ago and if we didnt have to put up with the RMAH and battlenet crap with full time internet connection this game could have been epic. Instead, it will be solely based upon gathering items from the RMAH and any sense of accomplishment will be lost in the same way that accomplishment was destroyed in WoW with the release of Outland and beyond.
Every single person only months after the game releases will be walking around it the best of the best gear because it will too easy to acquire. Therefore, this game is already dumbed down and is already implementing the WoW platform of allowing every single person access to gear that before only those of us with dedication were able to acquire.
Its a sad state of affairs. Its basically World of Diablo. The death of the solo playing hack and slash RPG is almost here and the new age of pay to play has taken over because society simple cant wait for anything. Everyone wants everything, right now, for free and no work. The majority of you people make me sick. You have ruined MMO's and now your about to ruin RPG's.
Dude you missed my point totally, quality is over quantity If Harry Potters movies sold the best does not make them the best movies ever created its just marketing your confusing thinks.
About wow, does wow have zone control, race leaders, elections, politics,massive arena pvp ? well i must tell you that this kinds of game exist and are far more evolved but are not that popular.
dont be more of a troll crysto i know exactly what your talking about, you wouldnt say harry potter as a movie in general is the best just like your not saying WoW is the best GAME in general. its the best MMO, its a genre of games. if you asked if harry potter was the best movie of its KIND then yes it is, obviously. WoW is the best MMO and D3 will be the best ARPG. because they are quality is the reason they sell so high.
My impression is that the game should have been released years ago and if we didnt have to put up with the RMAH and battlenet crap with full time internet connection this game could have been epic. Instead, it will be solely based upon gathering items from the RMAH and any sense of accomplishment will be lost in the same way that accomplishment was destroyed in WoW with the release of Outland and beyond.
Every single person only months after the game releases will be walking around it the best of the best gear because it will too easy to acquire. Therefore, this game is already dumbed down and is already implementing the WoW platform of allowing every single person access to gear that before only those of us with dedication were able to acquire.
Its a sad state of affairs. Its basically World of Diablo. The death of the solo playing hack and slash RPG is almost here and the new age of pay to play has taken over because society simple cant wait for anything. Everyone wants everything, right now, for free and no work. The majority of you people make me sick. You have ruined MMO's and now your about to ruin RPG's.
considering how hard they are hyping inferno mode, i disagree. if inferno mode is truly as hard as they are saying, then only the truly dedicated and great players will be able to beat and farm inferno for the games best gear.
pls dont be one of those retards who thinks that since super easy mode (normal) is super easy the rest of the game is easy. lmao
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"once the pretty hardcore gamers we had testing inferno found it fairly difficult, we then we doubled it" -trolololol jay wilson
About wow, does wow have zone control, race leaders, elections, politics,massive arena pvp ? well i must tell you that this kinds of game exist and are far more evolved but are not that popular.
It just doesn't look like Diablo, there are no pentagrams/christian icons or even the least amount of gore. The lack of an overall gothic touch is very sad. Everything is bright, shiny.
Yep, I can't remember any pentagrams/christian icons in the beta. Which is what, maybe 1/8 of the full game (I figure it's maybe half of the first act, or at least I hope it is). But, I don't remember any in D2, aside from the menu/UI, and does that really count? Further, I also don't remeber any christian icons BESIDES the pentagram, which, oh btw, isn't originally christian, but then again so are most of the modern christian symbols.
And no gore? Real? Aside from the exploding bodies, there's a reccouring wall in the cathedral that has about 15 people staked up to the wall, bleeding. If I remember, I'll get a pic the next time I see it.
This was done mainly to promote their RMAH and the best way doing that, is to make progression completely random. So people, who don't trust luck will buy items (runes), because they are the only form of progression in this game.
Err, uh, what? You progress less randomly, because you don't have to worry about placing skill points/stats in a less than optimal position. Granted, people might sell and buy runes. What's your point? There's plenty of progression: 1-30, a skill almost every level, stats, improved skills, new items available.31-60 stats, improved skills, new items available. Which, compared to D2: 1-32, a new skill or two every 4-5 levels, stats, improved skills, new items available (if you placed stats correctly), 33-99, stats, improved skills, new items available (if you placed stats correctly). They look pretty much the same to me, with the only difference being you don't have to go and follow a guide off the internet to have a chance in Hell (sorry about the pun).
Witchdoctor looks like a monkey instead of a real class. Still can't understand why they've canned the Necromancer loved this class but guess after Jay Wilson (this guy doesn't know jack about this former great franchise) said "the necromancer was too cool so we removed him" most cool classes were doomed
another example would be the Druid, great shapeshifter class with some nice abilities not there...
I disagree, I think the Witchdoctor is great (I'm assuming that is accidently, not purposely, racist). I do like the Necro (was my favorite class in D2), but I also really like the WD. His attacks, IMO, have more personality then most, because it's not just swing+random ball of light. Anyway, this is ENTIRELY a personal preference, so I'll give you the benifit of the doubt and go with you didn't mean to say D3 is objectively worse because of your preference.
Prime example of change for the sake of change philsophy. One of the coolest things Diablo 2 had has been the randomization of the whole world and dungeons, everytime you played something changed. This game though will have tons of pre-defined "handcrafted" stuff because its cheaper to develop and thats all Blizzard cares about since Activision bought them.
Everytime I've seen a developer talk about random 3D it's been "we tried, but it looks terrible." I'm going to go with people who've actually tried, but I'm open to me being wrong. Also, handcrafted is usually more expensive. Why? Because once you get the random algorithim working, all you have to do is build a few art assests, and away you go. As opposed to this were you have to make a lot of rooms that are harder to make.
Anyway, playing the Beta, the randomness of the dungeons is enough that it is never obvious which way to go, whereas the overworld you at least know the direction, which is WAY better than D2, which was generally either a massivly annoying maze (Act 3), or a huge, boring, open space (Act2) that took WAY too long to get through.
As you've pointed out its done to promote their RMAH, battle.net balance and to monitor your online behaviour. Funny fact though, games with online only requirements are also the most pirated ones.
Jay Wilson again doesn't understand the real problem behind it. Problem isn't that people don't have Internet its they don't want to use Battle.net and let Blizzard spy their behaviour or not being able playing the game, because the servers are down ...
I'm actually pretty sure the biggest issue is people without good internet. Annoyingly common in the Americas, for a variety of reasons. I really don't think too many people are afraid B.Net is spying on you. The companies I'm afraid of spying on me are ones that I use their programs for more than gaming (Facebook or Google), or the one who reads ALL my data (ISP). But if you're really afraid they'll spy on you, please, excercise your consumer rights and don't buy it, Blizz isn't changing their stance, and a lot of people don't want them to.
Sadly even this posting will be flamed by the fanboys but thats the way things have turned into since this site partnered with curse and transformed into another MMOchampionlike community...
Here is the list of things that I don't like becose of online only:
-Because of only online we dont have mods.
-Because of only online you have limitations in game, like only 10 characters, smaller stash.
-Because of only online you will have lag
-Because of only online you cant play when you want where you want.
-Because of only online you don't own diablo 3, if somthing happens to servers or blizzard, you can kiss your money and game goodbye (it is almost impossible to happen, but it can)
What are the benefits of only online? Harder to hack. I would understand this if there is any competition in diablo 3 or lader,but the funny thing is, this is because of RMHA (that is also another problem).
Okay, just to let you know, most of those cons are personal prefences.
-I never bothered with mods, and I would guess most people didn't either.
-I never had more than 10 characters, and no one I knew did either.
-Isn't the stash bigger, what with being able to buy more room, stacking, and smaller items?
-yes, it will have lag. But I was going to play online only. So it was going to have that anyway. I can't say what % has the same thought, though.
-Again, see above.
-Quite true, Blizz could do something to make me lose D3. A few weeks ago I would have said I strongly oppose this, but then I realized Steam's "offline" mode is more of a concept and a hope than a concrete thing. Now I'm not sure how much I actually care.
Pros? Not having to worry about hacks, dupes, and bots WAY outweighs, IMO, those cons. At least how I see them.
Practically your paying 60 bucks for a game that you cant control, if blizzard decide to ban you from their server (mistake or on purpose) practically your being robed and is nothing you can do, you cant play it offline.
Is this a fair deal guys ? ok you can sue them but it will take some months, years maybe to solve the problem.
I don`t see the need of always online on this kind of games really really bad decision and they will loose many customers because of it.
You raise a good point. I wonder what Blizz will do when they first ban people. But then again, hasn't this happened with Steam (and getting banned for FORUM offenses, no less), and I haven't seen a huge hit there. Of course, the way things are going, I'm sure it's covered in the EULA (you know, the part that says they can ban you for doing the things most people get banned for). Hopefully they'll have a good appeal system though, because it would suck to be banned from being able to play the game at all on accident.
Its not like this game will last more then 2 years, they will realize the failure when people will move on to non lag gameplay like emulators and private shit.
Talking about obsessive security, i remember when Ubisoft tried online only with AC 2, damn what an epic failure it was, people with legit game used "unofficial patches" to be able to play the game.
Except wasn't AC2 a...single player game? I don't remember the bruhaha over that being about the multiplayer, but the fact that it was a TRUE and ONLY singleplayer (well, the singleplayer part) that had to be online only. Also, that the online only was just a DRM, the servers didn't actually do what they're doing in D3.
I'm in the beta, and I can tell you right now, the social aspect of D3 is non-existent. Feels exatly like bot runs. Nobody talks, and you can only be so far away from the action before you won't see any exp or loot. That means, the person who runs the fastest thru content FORCES everyone to follow closely.
I have played over 30 games. 28 of those experiences have been utterly horrible. You are automatically put into games (there is no option to search games, give your games titles like "slow casual run for exp and fun" etc). I mean, people don't even say things like "found stairs, come to me". They just blaze through the content to farm SK.
It's not just that there isn't a chat interface. There is NO SOCIAL COMMUNICATION PLATFORM WHATSOEVER. Just one tiny button in the lower right hand corner that, when you click it, shows you have 0 friends.
I can't exaggerate just how bad the co-op experience is right now.
I'm in the beta, and I disagree. The reason why people sprint through is BECAUSE THEY CAN. People are generally way over leveled for the area in a difficulty that is supposed to be easy. And I'm not really sure how this differs from D2. If you weren't there when the boss died, you didn't get ANY loot (whereas now it's personal drops, so at least if you're on the same floor you can get it).
I haven't tried doing any named searches, so I can't comment on that.
Chat interface? There is one. It's that area where quest dialogue goes. It works just as well as before, except a long conversation doesn't cover the screen.
Unless you're looking for guild chat rooms, then I can't help you, and I want Blizz to implement those too.
Odin, I think Path of Excile is not even close to D3 and they demo is a prove of that. It's so bright and without a sense of art. Me myself will finish D3 for sure at least once as I really like the mood of it and art style and I hope that latest acts get darker closer to hell..
I totally agree. It's like Path of Exile is Diablo, but with only two colors (brown and red). It's absurdly bland. Granted, this is a very personal thing (despite what many people who dislike it seem to think when they attack other people for having the gall to like something different), but I agree with Yahtzee - washed-out brown does not equal gritty realism, and nor does no color equal dark and grim. No color and no light equals hard to F'ing see.
About wow, does wow have zone control, race leaders, elections, politics,massive arena pvp ? well i must tell you that this kinds of game exist and are far more evolved but are not that popular.
You know why? those games are crap.
No, its because Blizzard spend a lot of money on aggressive marketing for their products.
doesnt change the fact that WoW is the worlds best and most successful MMO because of its greatness. if other MMO's were TRULY better, more ppl would play them, simple as that lol
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"once the pretty hardcore gamers we had testing inferno found it fairly difficult, we then we doubled it" -trolololol jay wilson
TheDFO wow, thats a great response thanks for that we may differ in tastes but kept it civil. Total opposite to the crap GladHeHasBeta is doing.
lmao. ive kept it civil, your just getting butt hurt because you got TOLLD and have nothing to retort with. come up with a better excuse to not reply then ima meanie.
but seriously your arguments are weak and just because someone is aggressively arguing doesnt make it not civil. come up with better come backs bud
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"once the pretty hardcore gamers we had testing inferno found it fairly difficult, we then we doubled it" -trolololol jay wilson
So, if the game is different in art style and grafic, but is played the same way and is a good game, people wont play it?
Because of graphic? i can't agree with that reasoning. The games should not be played because of good graphic, they should be played because they are fun and good games. But i ges different people different tastes. But saying somthing has ugly art style or is shit, and that diablo art style is better, is wrong.Its same as saying that blue is better color than red.
No, it's like saying that vanilla ice cream tastes better than sugar. It's true and many would agree even if some might not (same as some would chose to play TL, but not majority of D1/2 fans). So basically in Diablo domain, TL is no good.
Hmm, but a lot of diablo fans are buying the game, including me. That's one of reasons that crapy torchlight 1 was such a sucses. And probably the second will also be.
I realize that some people care only about mechanics but they should then stay on TL2 forums if its mechanic is so good. Why to bother with D3. Oh, maybe for an art style
Because i played diablo from beginning, and its will be fun game, same as torchlight. The mechanic is what will make the game to be played for a long time, its not art style. Why not come to this forum, is it only for worshipers of diablo 3 that will sacrifice intruders that dont think like them
Ok, I say you could still like UFO Enemy Unknown more than any other similar game as you liked its mechanics (like I do (and Jagged Alliance, too)), but if somebody for example take Diablo mechanics and mix it with horrible kindergarten like graphics I wouldn't play that game. So I believe that people who never played Diablo but played TL may like TL2 even better (as they have commulated feelings towards TL and never disagree with its art style from the start) buy it should not be true for any Diablo fan who like Diablo because of its art and mood.
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BLIZZARD.
lmfao
So, if the game is different in art style and grafic, but is played the same way and is a good game, people wont play it?
Because of graphic? i can't agree with that reasoning. The games should not be played because of good graphic, they should be played because they are fun and good games. But i ges different people different tastes. But saying somthing has ugly art style or is shit, and that diablo art style is better, is wrong.Its same as saying that blue is better color than red.
No, it's like saying that vanilla ice cream tastes better than sugar. It's true and many would agree even if some might not (same as some would chose to play TL, but not majority of D1/2 fans). So basically in Diablo domain, TL is no good.
Hmm, but a lot of diablo fans are buying the game, including me. That's one of reasons that crapy torchlight 1 was such a sucses. And probably the second will also be.
thats definitely just YOUR opinion because POE looks like complete shit and everyone i know agrees. and again your simple minded opinion because me being a hardcore diablo fan i think almost everything about D3 is perfect and a lot of people agree. TL2 will suck just as POE will and D3 will sell millions and millions of copies. but dont take my word for it, wait for a few months after release when everyone is still playing and they've sold over 5m copies.
I realize that some people care only about mechanics but they should then stay on TL2 forums if its mechanic is so good. Why to bother with D3. Oh, maybe for an art style
Lol man, why are you so aggressive? You must know, that a lot of people are disappointed with some aspects of diablo 3. And a lot of people don't agree that diablo is almost perfect.But important thing is that it's fun to play.
Path of exile has much better textures then diablo 3. But it laks in animations and special efects, and is generaly boring.
'its just how i talk. havent you seen my movies? a fuckin shark ATE ME. '
i know some people are disappointed but there are FAR more people not upset, happy, or just dont care. if even half or more were actually disappointed then you would see that in the forums and blizz would of changed shit. but whenever a thread starts about it, the majority of the people are for it or dont care.
but ya POE blows. it may be "smoother" but the art style and graphics look like crap. along with the mechanics gameplay skill system ect.
D3 is quality over quantity. ppl complain about the graphics when the gameplay is always what blizz cares about. they've never released a super graphic intensive game. and because D3 is such a high quality game it will sell millions and millions.
and yes WoW is the worlds best MMO. ive played over a dozen MMO's and WoW is by far the best in almost all aspects. imitation MMO's like Rift, SWTOR, AION have all tried and epically failed to come close. it wouldnt have the most players worldwide by an insane margin if it wasnt. lawl
Hmm graphic doesn't look like crap at all, while with gameplay i agree. In some parts it looks more like diablo sequel game then diablo 3 it self
Every single person only months after the game releases will be walking around it the best of the best gear because it will too easy to acquire. Therefore, this game is already dumbed down and is already implementing the WoW platform of allowing every single person access to gear that before only those of us with dedication were able to acquire.
Its a sad state of affairs. Its basically World of Diablo. The death of the solo playing hack and slash RPG is almost here and the new age of pay to play has taken over because society simple cant wait for anything. Everyone wants everything, right now, for free and no work. The majority of you people make me sick. You have ruined MMO's and now your about to ruin RPG's.
dont be more of a troll crysto i know exactly what your talking about, you wouldnt say harry potter as a movie in general is the best just like your not saying WoW is the best GAME in general. its the best MMO, its a genre of games. if you asked if harry potter was the best movie of its KIND then yes it is, obviously. WoW is the best MMO and D3 will be the best ARPG. because they are quality is the reason they sell so high.
considering how hard they are hyping inferno mode, i disagree. if inferno mode is truly as hard as they are saying, then only the truly dedicated and great players will be able to beat and farm inferno for the games best gear.
pls dont be one of those retards who thinks that since super easy mode (normal) is super easy the rest of the game is easy. lmao
You know why? those games are crap.
And no gore? Real? Aside from the exploding bodies, there's a reccouring wall in the cathedral that has about 15 people staked up to the wall, bleeding. If I remember, I'll get a pic the next time I see it.
Err, uh, what? You progress less randomly, because you don't have to worry about placing skill points/stats in a less than optimal position. Granted, people might sell and buy runes. What's your point? There's plenty of progression: 1-30, a skill almost every level, stats, improved skills, new items available.31-60 stats, improved skills, new items available. Which, compared to D2: 1-32, a new skill or two every 4-5 levels, stats, improved skills, new items available (if you placed stats correctly), 33-99, stats, improved skills, new items available (if you placed stats correctly). They look pretty much the same to me, with the only difference being you don't have to go and follow a guide off the internet to have a chance in Hell (sorry about the pun).
I disagree, I think the Witchdoctor is great (I'm assuming that is accidently, not purposely, racist). I do like the Necro (was my favorite class in D2), but I also really like the WD. His attacks, IMO, have more personality then most, because it's not just swing+random ball of light. Anyway, this is ENTIRELY a personal preference, so I'll give you the benifit of the doubt and go with you didn't mean to say D3 is objectively worse because of your preference.
Everytime I've seen a developer talk about random 3D it's been "we tried, but it looks terrible." I'm going to go with people who've actually tried, but I'm open to me being wrong. Also, handcrafted is usually more expensive. Why? Because once you get the random algorithim working, all you have to do is build a few art assests, and away you go. As opposed to this were you have to make a lot of rooms that are harder to make.
Anyway, playing the Beta, the randomness of the dungeons is enough that it is never obvious which way to go, whereas the overworld you at least know the direction, which is WAY better than D2, which was generally either a massivly annoying maze (Act 3), or a huge, boring, open space (Act2) that took WAY too long to get through.
I'm actually pretty sure the biggest issue is people without good internet. Annoyingly common in the Americas, for a variety of reasons. I really don't think too many people are afraid B.Net is spying on you. The companies I'm afraid of spying on me are ones that I use their programs for more than gaming (Facebook or Google), or the one who reads ALL my data (ISP). But if you're really afraid they'll spy on you, please, excercise your consumer rights and don't buy it, Blizz isn't changing their stance, and a lot of people don't want them to.
Yep, I'ma flamin.
Okay, just to let you know, most of those cons are personal prefences.
-I never bothered with mods, and I would guess most people didn't either.
-I never had more than 10 characters, and no one I knew did either.
-Isn't the stash bigger, what with being able to buy more room, stacking, and smaller items?
-yes, it will have lag. But I was going to play online only. So it was going to have that anyway. I can't say what % has the same thought, though.
-Again, see above.
-Quite true, Blizz could do something to make me lose D3. A few weeks ago I would have said I strongly oppose this, but then I realized Steam's "offline" mode is more of a concept and a hope than a concrete thing. Now I'm not sure how much I actually care.
Pros? Not having to worry about hacks, dupes, and bots WAY outweighs, IMO, those cons. At least how I see them.
You raise a good point. I wonder what Blizz will do when they first ban people. But then again, hasn't this happened with Steam (and getting banned for FORUM offenses, no less), and I haven't seen a huge hit there. Of course, the way things are going, I'm sure it's covered in the EULA (you know, the part that says they can ban you for doing the things most people get banned for). Hopefully they'll have a good appeal system though, because it would suck to be banned from being able to play the game at all on accident.
Except wasn't AC2 a...single player game? I don't remember the bruhaha over that being about the multiplayer, but the fact that it was a TRUE and ONLY singleplayer (well, the singleplayer part) that had to be online only. Also, that the online only was just a DRM, the servers didn't actually do what they're doing in D3.
I'm in the beta, and I disagree. The reason why people sprint through is BECAUSE THEY CAN. People are generally way over leveled for the area in a difficulty that is supposed to be easy. And I'm not really sure how this differs from D2. If you weren't there when the boss died, you didn't get ANY loot (whereas now it's personal drops, so at least if you're on the same floor you can get it).
I haven't tried doing any named searches, so I can't comment on that.
Chat interface? There is one. It's that area where quest dialogue goes. It works just as well as before, except a long conversation doesn't cover the screen.
Unless you're looking for guild chat rooms, then I can't help you, and I want Blizz to implement those too.
I totally agree. It's like Path of Exile is Diablo, but with only two colors (brown and red). It's absurdly bland. Granted, this is a very personal thing (despite what many people who dislike it seem to think when they attack other people for having the gall to like something different), but I agree with Yahtzee - washed-out brown does not equal gritty realism, and nor does no color equal dark and grim. No color and no light equals hard to F'ing see.
doesnt change the fact that WoW is the worlds best and most successful MMO because of its greatness. if other MMO's were TRULY better, more ppl would play them, simple as that lol
lmao. ive kept it civil, your just getting butt hurt because you got TOLLD and have nothing to retort with. come up with a better excuse to not reply then ima meanie.
but seriously your arguments are weak and just because someone is aggressively arguing doesnt make it not civil. come up with better come backs bud
/rollseyes
Ok, I say you could still like UFO Enemy Unknown more than any other similar game as you liked its mechanics (like I do (and Jagged Alliance, too)), but if somebody for example take Diablo mechanics and mix it with horrible kindergarten like graphics I wouldn't play that game. So I believe that people who never played Diablo but played TL may like TL2 even better (as they have commulated feelings towards TL and never disagree with its art style from the start) buy it should not be true for any Diablo fan who like Diablo because of its art and mood.