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I've tried this build myself and it looks and feels like a bug. As you said, sometimes you one shot the boss and others you have to move on because they don't get damage at all.

Hi, this build is so interesting. I don't understand the function of Mask of Scarlet Death in this build... Would Heart of Iron be better? Thanks for sharing!

Got it, thank you!

This build has no life unfortunately. Damage is completely random. You can one shot elite if it somehow does silly aoe attack on a minion or run around for 5 minutes with no damage. Blue Packs are inkillable. Many Elite packs without strong attacks are unkillable as well. Trash packs take forever, because they have weak attacks. Land of the Dead is absolutely not needed

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In my opinion every build has the right to live

No seriously. I just have three ancient items and I cleared several GR90s with it and yes the damage is a bit random. But I have no problem with killing blue packs or trash. And personally I can't have enough elites at once.

Also Land of the Dead is the most important skill in this build. You can't use revive without it if you don't have corpses + it always grants max bonus from the Mask of Scarlet Death (one revive consumes up to 10 corpses).

This build just has a complete different playstyle. And I will definitely have fun with it next season.

Land of the Dead is not important as well as Revive damage at all. I instantly one-shotted elites in GR85 with absolutely no Land of the Dead and no "strong" revive mobs. Thorns has no dependencies on strength of minions, all you need is an elite to actually hit your minion and then it's dead. I also believe there's some kind of bug involved as well. Thorns pool is pretty low for minions yet Elites die in single attack. They simply can't reflect so much damage back to them, so something is wrong. Must be some double-dipping here.

When I tried this build I had the same rift guardian several times and I had different results.

For example, I remember fighting against the Butcher for 5 min. He killed me 10-15 times. Finally he died. Several rifts later I had the same rift guardian and I one shot him.

I hope Necromancer Thorns is a thing next season, but it feels really clunky right now.

Thanks for trying though.

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If I get you right. You say that I can clear a rift without Land of the Dead, Mask of Scarlet Death, Jasseth set and Enforser in the same speed. Because this items don't affect the thorns damage at all?

I think yes, i doubt they scale thorns for minions, simply because minions have no thorns skills, so there's nothing to scale i believe. Skill damage on revive and everything else has nothing to do with thorns damage. All thorns damage is passive in this setup. The only way how elites die = they kill themselves via damage reflected from minions. And most impressive one-shots happen when a single attack hit multiple minions at once. This is when many minions reflect huge amount of damage at once, and a reason why you need a CROWD of minions around a mob for him to suicide.
I once killed 3 pack within 1 second simply because they got stuck on top of each other in a narrow corridor in ruins of corvus.

Hello. I am the one in the video and the creater of the build. And you are right i am south korean but play in the EU server. Sorry for the broken english.

cleared 105 with the COE build, and i can say its the second best build of nec for GR ,better than rathma. i can clear gr 97 within 10min now and 100 with almost no failure.

With 1500 paragon and 7 caldesans!

No offence, i have had to face so many failures till i could find the best mechanism for the play and i want all of you not to do the same silly mistakes. Let me fix what you know wrong.

With my gears and paragon i can kill all eliteswith just 1 LoD in gr 95 and can also kill every RG. But higher in 105 the posibility to kill elites and RG becomes limited.

There are 3 attributes of elites which helps you kill them easily.

Frozen orbiter imprison.

Imprison is the best in high GRs.

It never misses unlike two others.

Other attributes might help too but not much.

Frozen star doesnt provoke thorns dmg as far as i figured out.

And if the type of the elite uses AOE attacks, for example glacial giants golgor and tyrants, you can kill them too no matter which attributes it has.

Some RGs can be easily killed. Agnidox is the one you can handle. Its fire breath provokes thorns effect qns it melts down

I would not say all stratigies for the RG fights

But without a doubt blighter is the easist

And the worst are Orlash and the new boss.

Orlashs lightning breath doesnt povoke thorns properly.

In extremely higher GR you would have 1 or 2 min after rg spawns and you can handle about the half of the rg types within 2 min, which means you only need to use LoD 2 times.

My pleasure, i think EU and NA players are way more passionate to find new builds and i was pretty surprised that someone has already understood the thorns build pretty perfectly. Your routine is exactly the same as mine ,except that i use blood rush several times right after I enter GR to make a health globe that protects me from sudden death after i use first revive.

And i dont think its a bug. Scarlet death scales damage of minions and it scales thorns of them just like any items that increase your att dmg scale your thorns attacks. Singularity rune scales thorns as far as i know but its really hard to make them hit by monsters cause they do range attacks. Btw the Golem that consumes corpses to increase its dmg doesnt scale thorns. I think its a bug

@XeNon20 @mdnightee I was wondering why Spear of Jairo is not in any of the Thorns builds > 90 GR. Maybe you can help me understand why.

15% multiplicative thorns per cursed enemy, when you usually have more than 20 at the same time, is a lot of thorns. Also it confuses me a lot that Spreading Malediction is in all thorn builds, being just 1% additive damage per cursed enemy. Thx

There is a bug right now. Jairo scales your thorns but not your minions' thorns.

On my way to trying ths build pretty soon. Feeling excited about the concept and idea!

Does +%Revive damage on gears work with this build?

Hey,

I wanna try this build in the next season. Has there been any changes to the build since March? Also, what would you change for S16 with RORG buff? Leoric's Crown for more CDR or maybe Heart of Iron for more Thorns? And do you know if the bug with Spear of Jairo that @mdnightee was mentioning has been fixed or not?